Come on
groundnpound,
"To hear talk of Rafa coming back or Roberto Martinez being the manager of Liverpool is an absolute, utter joke" I know the feeling for the club/Kenny is a little deeper in the city but
"Utter joke" is a bit tough, Rafa is a proven quality manager & Martinez is proving to be of the same standard.
Yes Rafa has managed us before & at the end opinion was divided but he was given pretty much the run of the club by the people that brought him in & then the idiots that took over, all this after coming from Spain, a country where at some clubs you can't even select what players you want to buy, so no wonder given the chance he abused it a little.
I'm sure under the new setup he'd work just fine, like you said
"Be honest with yourself & think back" how many good time were there under Rafa to how many bad ones.....
"Be honest with yourself", any manager who is in charge for a full season has had enough time to figure out tactics,formations & player selection, get them wrong & sort them out again, this has happend far too often this season but never was it sorted out again.
Luck doesn't come into it like I've said before it's just a word to use when things don't go right & you can't/won't think of anything realistic to say.
LODOS you can't just blame the players, this is what everyone who doesn't want to be realistic does. The manager bought them & gave them the tactics to use, the coaching staff should've noted how they wanted Andy Carroll to play before they bought him & when he didn't turn out like that they should've worked on it, yes this takes time but how many times have you seen Carroll just pull to the back post & totally disregard the centre of the box where all goalscorers would be, this tells me he's been almost left to his own devises or just tought the wrong style of playing team wise.
Look at the 4-1 Chelsea game where a lot of the ball was to feet & he kept getting brought onto play with Downing cutting inside rather than just bombing down the wing, we looked quality so why weren't we playing that way after about 10 games when they saw it wasn't going to plan & then changed it???
I see your point on Suarez, if Lucas & Gerrard were fit things just may have been different but it was what it was & it wasn't good enough plain & simple.
Liverpool have sacked more managers over the last few years than they have in the previous 10 or so but that doesn't mean we're losing our identity it's just that football & the modern day business of it is moving forward at a great pace but at pitch level we're either going way too slow or not moving at all.
if Kenny was anyone else we'd all have been calling for his head many many months ago & we'd have got our wish aswell. a legend of legends he is & always will be no matter what outsiders try & force upon us like I said below
(06-05-2012 15:33 )mitchell Wrote: [ -> ]All these newspaper journos who are coming out with Kenny's status as a Kop legend is under threat is nothing short of plain & utter fucking ludacris!!! do they not remember or even know the amount of work & emotion he put into the club & more so the 96 families of Hillsborough over the years, I remember reading he went to 4 funerals on the same day, now I'm sorry if his emotions run high in some press conferences at times when Liverpool are being put into question but if situations like 4 funerals in one day is true then you can understand why. This coupled with how great he was as a player (Our greatest ever) & his first spell in charge as manager, 3 First Division titles, 2 FA Cups & 4 Charity Shields (2 shared) in just 6 years is why The King will never be considered as anything but.
Liverpool Football Club need to get back to where we were a few years ago which was on the edge of getting back into the swing of things & for the first ever time in the Premier League era, Rafa Benítez was as close as we have ever been, tactically a great manager & looking forward someone like Roberto Martinez who I think is on the edge of being one of a number of young manager around Europe who are set for big things at the right club, look at who & why Barcelona have just appointed Tito Vilanova, we're missing a big opportunity in not looking at Roberto Martinez.