(27-06-2016 02:08 )wackawoo Wrote: [ -> ]I was more interested in why people are so desperate, apparenlty Boris also, to keep the single market, clearly if that's the case you are better off in the EU than out, you can't have your cake and eat it. But other countries of the would are not in the single market, yes i know it's Britians biggest market, but equally we IMPORT FAR MORE from the EU than export to them, the UK market is huge.
But this main question is answered by your initial one surely.
I thought you were implying before that the USA and the rest, whilst not part of the EU, can, and want, to deal with the EU's single market. So, 'everyone' and Boris are so keen to stay with the single market for the same reasons the USA and the rest are keen to trade with it... It's a bloody good thing! It simplifies and enhances imports and exports all round. (Being part of the single market or having a very similar deal with it that those that are in it have makes very little difference.) They and Boris, post-article 50, would like a good deal with it. Why have you got such a downer on the single market wackawoo?
Presumably, given his words today, Boris primarily wanted out of Europe for reasons other than trade or immigration. (Even if we are going to be kind and ignore self-advancement!) [You'd have thought he would have told us his motives earlier than this but he, along with seemingly everyone else in this campaign, was too busy spreading disinformation and hyperbole to care for dispensing such truths.
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On top of that, Boris knows, and has no doubt had it drummed into him by party officials, how divisive this campaign has been. He knows that for his own political survival he has to appeal to more than just the 17 million people who voted out on Thursday. Note how he uses the small margin of victory to justify conciliation. When was the last time you saw a politician refer to the limited margin of victory as a reason for anything?! There is a desperate note for appeasement in that.
For me, his backing Leave was always a bold gamble at the top job and now he is being forced into attempting to placate everyone, looking to save his career. As you have said though, he may well end up pleasing no-one and disillusioning all those who supported him till now believing his rhetoric.
Anyway Boris knows he has to heal wounds in his own party, the markets and the country at large.
The easiest way to do this is, of course, to try and take the easiest, most middle ground, path available at this point. (It also happens to be perhaps the path of least workload for everyone around parliament and the civil service aghast at what lies before them now.) Under the circumstances, it makes sense for him to try and stick to the basic tenenants of what we had previously atm, whilst still fullfilling the mandate of the ballot paper. If he can ride out this rough patch he can get bolder later.
(27-06-2016 02:08 )wackawoo Wrote: [ -> ]The rest of the EU aren't going to say, well now you are out, you can do what ever you want and of course you can have access to the single market.
Funny that, you are now arguing with the same lines that those that opposed your pre-vote leave arguments had previously flung at you!
Why would the EU give us such a good deal now? Well I suppose Boris is banking on the fact that the EU want this sorted as soon as poss for their own political reasons (those that other posters have already mentioned here). They may not want to be seen to give us great privileges but they might just prefer to get us out of their headlines as quickly as possible if they can spin the outcome favourably somehow (highlighting concessions that we make in other areas perhaps).
