Quote:If you truly believe the social dimension has "nothing whatsoever to do with politics" then I truly pity you. The causal links between poverty and crime and fairly self-explanatory.
No I don't and you have shot yourself in the foot here a bit. As they say, people never had it so good, as I said earlier, the poorest now are living like middle class people 40 years ago. Most houses are multi car homes, most poeple have colour tvs, mobiles phones, computers and so on and so on, this simply wouldn't have been heard off back then.
In short people way back a when were way more poor on average than now. And to think it's being poor that leads to crime is pretty insulting. I'm pretty sure what causes crime is pretty complex, but being poor is not political, families can be poor whoever is in government, MOST do not commit crimes. I worked at a childrens theme park that employed people from diverse backgrounds, a lot came from 'the estate', others from pvt houses. There was a lot of stealling that run into thousands (literally) every single one that was caught were all from the private houses.
Quote:Our economy tanked in 2008. We haven't cleared the trillions of debt we owe, in fact it continues to climb all the time. We won't suddenly solve this by leaving the EU. Just as immigration won't magically drop to zero if we leave the EU.
In 2008? Maggie Thatcher was out of office in 1990!
Labour in government untill 2007, and it crashed in 2008, now it's picking up. So 1979 - 1990 Britian had a strong economy, it has today (recession allowing) it didn't in 70's and crashed just after labour left. See any patterns?
Bit of an interesting bit on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_h...ive_easing
Quote:You don't have to remind me about business-crushing high rates under Thatcher 
Does this imply you are a buisness man or had a buisness? Certainly for people with savings, it was fantatstic; I wasn't one of them
Quote:A lot less than it has to do with a moronic government whose policies amounted to "let the market decide", a Pilate-esque absence of responsibility to a domestic economy.
Explain more about this.
Quote:It isn't a strong economy, though. If it were, we wouldn't still be massively in debt, for one thing.
As far as I know ALL countries have a national debt, even America.
Current state (as off 2013):
Quote:From 2Q 2013, the UK's economy continued to grow for five consecutive quarters, the longest since Q1 of 2008,[121] showing growth beating most developed economies helped by the rebound in the housing market and strong growth in both manufacturing and services industries. The IMF increased UK growth forecasts for 2014 from 1.9% to 2.4% in January 2014.[122] Subsequently, inflation dropped to a low of 1.6% in Q1 2014.,[123] unemployment dropped to 6.8% (the lowest level since 2009) [124] with impressive growth in employment leading to an all-time high of 30.4 million.[125] The UK government posted a £107.6 billion national deficit for the fiscal year ending March 2014, meeting the target of £107.7 billion set a month previously.[126] This was especially impressive since many countries in the EU, more specifically in the Euro, were stagnating such as France and Italy.[127] However, it has been argued that the economic recovery is not reaching the majority of the people in the country, with wage growth not keeping up with inflation, however in 2014 it improved with wage growth outpacing inflation for the first time after six years
You know what, maybe we are asking the wrong question. May be the question should be 'is it costing the country TOO much to be in Europe?' rather than 'are we getitng anything back by being in?' I stated earlier that the amount Britian spends in Europe was the same as it spends on the NHS, which is shocking, however, it also stated that it was less than 1% of it's GNP, is that a massive sacrifice JUST IN CASE? I have an ipad air, through ebay a wheeling and dealing I got it for £7, been thinking of selling it and getting rid of it, but, i have not as yet becasue ONE DAY IT JUST MIGHT BE OF BENEFIT.
Maybe thats the attitude to have 'ONE DAY IT JUST MIGHT BE OF BENEFIT' rather than all these unconvincing arguments flying around.
