(27-02-2016 14:19 )The Silent Majority Wrote: [ -> ] (27-02-2016 09:42 )HannahsPet Wrote: [ -> ]A fine example of this is Scottish SNP goverment and the new Common Agriculture Policy Payments Scheme they spent 178million on a new computer system and its fucked up leaving Scottish farmers £500 million out of pocket. What do the SNP do blame the farmers not the computer system 
If you're using the SNP as the standard to judge things by, you're not aiming high enough
It was an example EU being doing these payments for decades no problems SNP do them one year but same could be said on other Computer systems in UK the NHS computer project at least £8 Billion down the drain estimates prob nearer £20 Billion
(27-02-2016 08:52 )Doddle Wrote: [ -> ]![[Image: SilkyBoringHorsechestnutleafminer.gif]](https://giant.gfycat.com/SilkyBoringHorsechestnutleafminer.gif)
All those myths are covered here:
http://www.betteroffout.net/the-case/10-...withdrawl/
I see that trade thing again. If a company is buying goods from france and a company from france is buying goods from England this year, why would that suddenly stop next year? If UK was no longer in Europe - What is the specific reason?
And why is free movement so good? Other than for Polish and other finantial migrants to move to countries with a better economy and take jobs and benefits from the indiginous population.
Britian safer in europe? can somebody tell me (other than IRA) what were the terroist attacks on UK land by islamic extremist before commen market? Come to think of it, any were in europe for that matter. May be it has more to do with america and the allies going in to their country and slaughtering their people by the hundreds of thousands which has radicalized their young and they are now fighting back. This is not even mentioning 9/11 attack on the US; a country not in Europe and thousands of miles away from it.
There's always been international agreements over issues of national security and interpol, even before the commen market; a time apparently free from Islamic attacks.
Also, can somebody tell me why being in europe means cleaner beaches?
What's needed if facts and figures and specifics for either side in detail. I assume there will be plenty of programs on tv soon.
Another day, another scare story by the IN campaign. Vast swathes of the UK media are in favour of the UK remaining in. Why? It's because their proprietors are doing very well - ie, making plenty of money, by remaining in this corrupt affiliation. The BBC has received £30,00 from the EU in order to 'publicise' it.
The EU laws are suggested and passed down by unelected officials from the unelected, secret politburo. The so-called 'judges' are not even judges. Many of their pronouncements are politically motivated. The EU's financial accounts have not been accepted by all the member states for the last 19 years!
Multi-national corporations are, of course, in favour to remain in. They act in an amoral stance by outsourcing jobs to outside the EU, with the EU's blessing, and they adore the fact that Europe is being swamped by cheap labour migrants.
For the entire duration of the UK's inclusion inside this undemocratic farce successive UK governments have deliberately undermined the jobs and workers who have always lived in the UK.
I'll be voting OUT!
Well said, the eu is one of the most corrupt and inept organisations on the planet.
Am totally torn on this.The arguments for whether they are corrupt or inept does not really hold much water as they are no different in this respect to the IMF, UN or any other multinational body.
For me its simple will we be in at least the same position on exit?
Will it really address the immigration problems as we will be operating on a closed borders principle?
Will it diminish our influence globally which has been steadily diminishing over the last 30 years?
We will not be able to ignore the trade and freedom of movement benefits it provides to our own people? So its someone providing me with a clear risk assessment of this which will determine my answer.
At the moment its IN.
(03-03-2016 17:03 )sweetsugar007 Wrote: [ -> ]Will it diminish our influence globally which has been steadily diminishing over the last 30 years?
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You mean, the time being in Europe?
Britian is a pretty powerful country in it's own right you know. One of the richest, strongest economies of the world. Perminent member of of the united nations security council, G7. Always been a finantial power house of the world.
This would be the same in or out of Europe, it's more a matter of what being in europe bennefits UK, and for the most part, not much that I can see.
Clearner beaches apparently.
(03-03-2016 16:15 )lancealot790 Wrote: [ -> ]Well said, the eu is one of the most corrupt and inept organisations on the planet.
What you mean to suggest that the EU is more corrupt than FIFA? or on a par with it?
I was a bit stumped when I read that a vote for Europe is a vote for the Kinnocks
Of course, a vote AGAINST Europe is a vote for Thatcher. Indeed, this is probably her last chance to ruin this country yet again.
I notice slap-head hypocrite IDS is again complaining of the acrimony of the IN campaign. This really is the pot calling the kettle black!
