08-03-2016, 13:02
^ You really do have a quest to dominate this thread don't you? Why is that?
I didn't adopt the word poverty for what is happening in this country. I use it because it's there in the reports we are quoting. I don't see how posting videos of stricken babies in Africa is helpful and anything more than emotive trolling. Yes, one situation is worse than the other but does that allow you to decry that Benefit Street is the end of the problem within the UK?
As for my link being the 'be all, end all'... Now who's twisting who's words? I said the exact opposite; that there were plenty of them out there and that mine was an example.
But, in any case, I'll follow your move to focusing on the impact of immigration on this country. Let's see if we can keep the debate to the specifics of what leaving the EU would mean...
So, broadly if you will, you are saying that though immigration may be of some benefit to this country you would like to stop it or parts of it, yes? You think that coming out of the EU would allow us to control our borders and stop those that we don't wish to enter from entering? (I'm purposefully trying not to use emotive language here.)
In the large upturn in the UK's immigration figures announced last year, despite all the prior news reports being of the Calais 'jungles', it was actually migration from the EU which had seen the larger surge. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/...cord-level
This academic piece provides a fair picture, I think, of the options on how this subject might be handled should Brexit occur: http://ukandeu.ac.uk/what-would-uk-immig...er-brexit/ It is not a clear-cut enticing picture to those that think we would suddenly reclaim control of our borders.
As it points out both of the usual examples, Norway and Switerland, have far higher levels of EU immigration than the UK as a proportion of their populations. And for any reduction in UK immigration to be of significant enough political impact there would have to be large enforced drops in both migration from the EU and from outside of it. Neither one would do on it's own. Would we be tougher than those other countries after Brexit? (Would we be allowed to be? How would that effect out expats abroad?) The man on the moment doesn't even think so...
So, is David Cameron not telling the truth when he say that Britain would still not be able to control immigration outside of the EU as it would have to remain part of the single market? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...t-80m.html
Or maybe Cameron will be gone after Brexit? But why would the new guy be able to do any different than he?
I didn't adopt the word poverty for what is happening in this country. I use it because it's there in the reports we are quoting. I don't see how posting videos of stricken babies in Africa is helpful and anything more than emotive trolling. Yes, one situation is worse than the other but does that allow you to decry that Benefit Street is the end of the problem within the UK?
As for my link being the 'be all, end all'... Now who's twisting who's words? I said the exact opposite; that there were plenty of them out there and that mine was an example.
But, in any case, I'll follow your move to focusing on the impact of immigration on this country. Let's see if we can keep the debate to the specifics of what leaving the EU would mean...
So, broadly if you will, you are saying that though immigration may be of some benefit to this country you would like to stop it or parts of it, yes? You think that coming out of the EU would allow us to control our borders and stop those that we don't wish to enter from entering? (I'm purposefully trying not to use emotive language here.)
In the large upturn in the UK's immigration figures announced last year, despite all the prior news reports being of the Calais 'jungles', it was actually migration from the EU which had seen the larger surge. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/...cord-level
This academic piece provides a fair picture, I think, of the options on how this subject might be handled should Brexit occur: http://ukandeu.ac.uk/what-would-uk-immig...er-brexit/ It is not a clear-cut enticing picture to those that think we would suddenly reclaim control of our borders.
As it points out both of the usual examples, Norway and Switerland, have far higher levels of EU immigration than the UK as a proportion of their populations. And for any reduction in UK immigration to be of significant enough political impact there would have to be large enforced drops in both migration from the EU and from outside of it. Neither one would do on it's own. Would we be tougher than those other countries after Brexit? (Would we be allowed to be? How would that effect out expats abroad?) The man on the moment doesn't even think so...
So, is David Cameron not telling the truth when he say that Britain would still not be able to control immigration outside of the EU as it would have to remain part of the single market? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...t-80m.html
Or maybe Cameron will be gone after Brexit? But why would the new guy be able to do any different than he?