(30-09-2020 02:47 )Slabhead Wrote: [ -> ]The dementia is kicking in now!
This "dementia" that you speak of seems to me like a guy with a bit of a speech impediment gamely fighting against it.
More generally, I don't think either of them 'won'. As a piece of performance art it was riveting. As a presidential debate among two guys vying to lead the world's most powerful country, it was a hot mess.
That said, I think Biden 'lost' much less than Trump who came across as a petulant child.
It won't change anyone's mind. But Biden has a strong lead -- he's not the one who has to change the race. I can't imagine that Trump picked up any new voters yesterday and time is ticking away ....
Trump telling the Proud Boys to stand by, really grown up way to try to win votes. Trump just made an arse of himself on national television, played right into canny Joe's hands. Job well done Joe !!!!!!!!
(30-09-2020 09:58 )Nadam Wrote: [ -> ] (30-09-2020 03:44 )Slabhead Wrote: [ -> ]Trump won as expected. Biden was mauled and mutilated after 20 minutes. Now I'm going to have a nice wank over Sophie Hart!
Trump didn't win.
Biden let Trump make a fool of himself, his lying will destroy him, the Trump organisation will crumple like a house of cards.
(30-09-2020 09:42 )SecretAgent Wrote: [ -> ]^ Ahh bless we have a Proud Boy on the forum. Got your gun loaded and ready have you? Funny how all the reviews of the debate I’ve heard say that Biden won but then again I don’t read Breitbart.
Proud boys look so tough with their assault rifles and the menacing stares, just waiting for granny to come tell him his tea is ready.
The polls are all saying that Biden won. CBS have it at 48% to 41% in his favour, whilst CNN have it at 60% to 28%.
What Goodfella said above is true though. Although Biden won it wasn't a decisive victory and it won't have changed anyone's mind, but Trump is the one who needs to change people's minds, so for him it was a missed opportunity and he's running out of time.
I thought the most interesting stat of the night is that Trump interrupted Biden 73 times. The moderator should have cut his mic!
I think tbh I'll sit on the fence and just say I think the next two debates will probably make up people's mind for definite in how they will vote. I think i wold have probably fell asleep before it started. The only thing that was probably clear was Trump tried to bluff his way through and dirty & personal and none of that stuff should never be allowed to exist in debates.
I've got to say I was rather underwhelmed by Biden's performance. I was hoping he'd blow Trump away rather than scrape an unconvincing victory. Still as others have said it was Trump who needed to win and I can't see how he gained anything from that debate.
Result just in:
Trump 0 Biden 1 (Trump o.g.)
(30-09-2020 10:01 )Goodfella3041 Wrote: [ -> ] (30-09-2020 02:47 )Slabhead Wrote: [ -> ]The dementia is kicking in now!
This "dementia" that you speak of seems to me like a guy with a bit of a speech impediment gamely fighting against it.
More generally, I don't think either of them 'won'. As a piece of performance art it was riveting. As a presidential debate among two guys vying to lead the world's most powerful country, it was a hot mess.
That said, I think Biden 'lost' much less than Trump who came across as a petulant child.
It won't change anyone's mind. But Biden has a strong lead -- he's not the one who has to change the race. I can't imagine that Trump picked up any new voters yesterday and time is ticking away ....
It's not really poor speech, he has shown many moments where he struggles to remember a point he was going to make. He comes out with the most bizarre phrases that have nothing to do with the topic at hand in interviews. It's all documented on youtube, just like his creepiness with young girls. Although his seeming decline in cognitive abilities wasn't quite as bad last night as in many other instances. He lucked out from suffering undisputedly the biggest humiliation in debate history.
And Jesus fucking Christ, I thought we might've learned to take polls with a pinch of salt after 2016, on both sides of the Atlantic. The mainstream media didn't account for the voters in the rust belt and broader working class communities who come out in droves for Trump. They had an inner contempt for them. And then when the 2016 result happened, the leftist media acted 'shocked', as if to wonder how on earth did this happen? Only this time it's not going to be just working class voters who will defend their guy once again, disaffected middle class voters will come out for Trump too. Americans for all the mockery they receive from snobbish Brits and Europeans, have a fairly long memory and are a smart bunch. They didn't forgive the Clintons for NAFTA and they're not going to forgive the Democrat/'squad' sponsored violence that erupted in the cities across the country. I suspect a large number of middle class/small business owning voters in big cities will look at the antifa/BLM violence that is sponsored by big league Democrats like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Taibi and turn to Trump. Will the Democrats and the media play dumb again like they did in 2016? You betcha.
(30-09-2020 10:33 )SOCATOA Wrote: [ -> ] (30-09-2020 09:58 )Nadam Wrote: [ -> ] (30-09-2020 03:44 )Slabhead Wrote: [ -> ]Trump won as expected. Biden was mauled and mutilated after 20 minutes. Now I'm going to have a nice wank over Sophie Hart!
Trump didn't win.
Biden let Trump make a fool of himself, his lying will destroy him, the Trump organisation will crumple like a house of cards.
We've heard all this before in 2016. And Clinton didn't even have the ratbag 'squad' backing her in 2016 to repulse further potential voters.
It seems like we've learned nothing from Trump and Brexit in 2016 lol.