(16-02-2017 20:33 )wackawoo Wrote: [ -> ]You lie again, I never said they did, I said you'd think.
The world was coiming out of a bad recission caused by greedy property developers, he also had to deal with a lot more shit than Obama, aftermath of 9/11, said recession, hurrican Katrina, Iraq war.
I also said Obama did a good job. 
If we did not have the Bush Jnr Presidency we would be better off.
How many presidents have been involved in divorce case? If the reports are true about Melania hating being first Lady and is very miserable with the role since his inauguration, I'm wondering if there is a possibility that the president himself could end up in a very pubic divorce battle
(16-02-2017 19:37 )wackawoo Wrote: [ -> ]US people STILL have to pay, and many will be dying since they cannot afford good medical insurance. It's not like he introduced that NHS and it's not like it's whole heartidly welcomed.
You say he ended the war in Iraq, American troops are still and still dying and he increase the US military presence.
Torture shouldn't even be an issue.
ok Wackawoo I've cut down your post as I just want to comment on the 3 points you made above.
1. Yes US citizens still have to pay for health insurance but the point of ACA is that millions more can now afford it and those with pre-existing conditions can get cover.
2. US Military Forces in Iraq was 170,000 in November 2007.The US mission in Iraq formally ended in December 2011. The US military there now are in support of anti terrorist activity and number I believe around 5,000. So clearly Obama did not increase the military presence during his term of office although if you twist statistics and only look at the fact he increased the number to 5,000 then good luck to you.
3. I agree torture shouldn't be an issue (that if if like me you believe torture is wrong). Unfortunately George Bush Jr allowed it. Obama banned it. Trump has repeatedly said he supports it.
(16-02-2017 20:14 )terence Wrote: [ -> ]well, that was fuckin mental. 
They should let him do one of these weekly, it's entertaining if nothing else.
There are a lot of experts (real and armchair) debating his mental health, all they need to do is turn one of these shitshows and they'll see he's a bit bonkers. I now don't think he is mentally unstable in the normal sense though, but in the billionaire head up their own arse, living in a bubble of everyone agreeing with everything he says and not being allowed to disagree sense, definitely.
It really is surreal...really! lol.
There was an incident in 1987 where the VP & Cabinet were on the verge of invoking the 25th amendment due to Ronald Reagan's apparent mental issues. He then went on to play a blinder at a cabinet meeting and the hounds were called off....
If Pence & Co see The Donald as doing irreversible damage to the party, i can see something very similar happening very soon.
ps I thought Obama was closing guantanamo bay?? no ifs...or buts...or maybes.....or a few more releashed...he was closing it...its alive and well and I'm up for torture if it stops one more terror act...those being tortured are not innocent...
I hear SNL have cancelled this weekends show after someone leaked Alec Baldwin's script to Trump...
(16-02-2017 20:38 )babelover48 Wrote: [ -> ]If the reports are true about Melania hating being first Lady and is very miserable with the role since his inauguration, I'm wondering if there is a possibility that the president himself could end up in a very pubic divorce battle
If the reports are true, Melania is going to stuff a banana up her husband's arse to distract him from giving press conferences.
If the reports are true, Mike Pence is going to dye his hair and replace Brian Wilson in the Beach Boys.
If the reports are true, so-called Mad Dog Mattis is going to do a romcom with Elle MacPherson.
If the reports are true... you get the idea?!
(16-02-2017 20:36 )MR PERFECT Wrote: [ -> ]If we did not have the Bush Jnr Presidency we would be better off.
The moral of the story oh perfect one, in 100 years from now, Obama will be remembered for nothing else than being the first, if not the only, black American president.
He had a good solid presendency, introduced some good stuff, in the right direction, and to be the pres when the Iaq war just so happen to 'end' (it all depends on what you mean by end of course).
