Great, so now that Ofcom is taking action against pre watershed material, this should mean that they will relax the post watershed content hopefully. Nobody will have a right to complain about seeing women girating with their crotches in the air after 9pm, as that's the watershed time for activity like this, and nobody will have a right to complain about seeing a vagina on screen after 11pm, because, oh no wait, Ofcom still won't allow a vagina to be shown on the adult channels
What I still don't get is, that breasts and nudity is allowed on non adult channels from 9pm on, yet the women on the adult channels can't go topless until 10. They can't even show full frontal after 11!!! WHY???
While watching the shows early this morning, I couldn't help but wonder why these channels are classified as 18, when we can't even see full frontal nudity. Very sad having to watch Amanda Rendall become super tame, as well as watching the 2-4-1's where the women can only go topless.
These channels are going to die soon unless the censorship lets up!
I actually don't have much issue with this new crackdown, though the internet thing is a bit intrusive, and people buying a laptop shouldn't have to confess to the person that they want the porn lock to be off. That's a bit much. They are also making too much of the supposed sexualisation of children, as most children I know aren't having sex or doing sexual things. I don't think those running the government really have much confidence in the people of England, which is quite sad. I agree with most of the TV pre watershed decisions, but they need to stop bothering the ADULT channels so much once 11pm hits!
All I have to say on this latest bullshit of a report is Ofcom Go Fuck Yourselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ya Fascist Bastards.
I've just worked a 12 hour shift and simply can not be arsed to write anything more elaborate on this.
(04-06-2011 19:11 )Scottishbloke Wrote: [ -> ]All I have to say on this latest bullshit of a report is Ofcom Go Fuck Yourselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ya ****ist Bastards.
I've just worked a 12 hour shift and simply can not be arsed to write anything more elaborate on this.
I take it you still want to get rid of Ofcoms.. it will just be replaced with a tory invention.
Remind me. Didnt Ofcom slam the Daily Mail for mounting a campaign against the X-Factor/Christine Aguillara show using photos that were not taken from the broadcast?
Independent report my arse. The head of the Mothers Union was only ever going to give one viewpoint.
Actually I half agree about sexualisation of young kids, what sane parent puts a 4 year old in a T shirt saying "Porn Star"? But how the fuck do you legislate against that? Introduce a censorship authority for clothing? Send a social worker round? Traditionally that kind of thing has been "policed" by peer pressure, against the parents and retailers, not the law.
Opt in for internet porn? Technically impossible for ISPs to enforce this. Computers are already sold with antivirus packages preinstalled, Google defaults to Moderate Safe Search, so also pre-activating adult filters on the antivirus when a new computer is sold doesnt sound so bad. There are plenty of innocent parents who dont have a clue what is on the internet and are not technically savvy. Id guess most readers of this web forum have at least basic computer skills, so we tend to forget what its like for some people.
But selling computers with antivirus parental controls preconfigured doesnt need legislation.
So Christine Aguillara was on the borderline of acceptability. It was actually acceptable then. No tits. No bums. No crotch close ups. Just leggy dancers in bodices. Hmmm. Interesting to see how anyone could frame a clear set of rules to allow the majority of dance shows but not dance shows with dancers in dance costumes. I see to remember a sequence from the BBCs Celebrity Come Dancing that ended up with a crotch shot of a hottie. Since it had been extensively choreographed that must have been deliberate. But its the BBC and they also featured mingers so that was OK.
Back to the point.
Enforcing the watershed so shows before 9pm are kid suitable? Had to argue with that.
Does that also mean that after 9pm grown ups should be able to watch shows that appeal to their tastes? Hard hitting police drama like Silent Witness, Wallander, Rebus, Britains Toughest Cops, Ross Kemp on Gangs, NCIS, CSI? Occult shows such as The Vampire Diaries, a History of Horror with Mark Gattis, Ghost Hunters, Psychic Interactive. Sex themed soaps (Desperate Housewives). Anything with Katie Price. Stand up comedy with strong language (Dara O'Brien, Lee Evans, Russell Howards Good News). Challenging adult cartoons featuring the strongest swearing by cartton children, racism, murder, theft (South Park). Historic drama with rape and buggery (Rome). Genuine serious injuries (24 Hours in A&E, The Real A&E). Swearing (Have I Got News for You). Gay innuendo (QI). State sponsored murder of war criminals (Nazi Hunters/The Assassination of Reinhard Heydrich). Violent or scary films (Children of the Corn, Interview with the Vampire, Total Recall). Honest mainstream erotica?
Every single one of the examples listed above is broadcast at 9pm, almost all are on this week (apart from Rome and some of the stand up), and almost all is free to view on Sky. Apart from the last one.
If the MU/Government start talking about a gradual transition and extended watershed they will have to explain why it is OK to see men beating each other to a pulp and corpses on mortuary slabs but not sex.
Putting Nuts and Zoo in plain covers? Why? Define what constitutes a lurid cover without including most of the womens trash. Also the Sun, Star, Mail, Express and News of the World.
Apparently 6% of 9-16 year olds have seen pictures of people having sex. Er, yes, its called school sex education. Assuming that is not what the report means, and it excludes The Sex Education Show (specifically aimed at teens), there is huge difference between a 9 year old seeing sex and a 16 year old. It could be argued that occasional access to sexual images at that age is part of the learning process and avoids a dangerous overnight transition at 16. Ask older people and they will tell you teenage boys have always circulated porn at school, scout camps, etc. Its not new, its not dangerous.
The clue, I think, to the Daily Mails thinking is the phrase "It demands a return to the days when parents could be confident that programmes broadcast before 9pm would be suitable for the whole family."
Ah, the 1950s, when Dads all had short brylcreemed hair, Mums didnt have tattoos and there were no darkies. How the Daily Mail hankers for those days. Just dont mention THE DARLEKS.
Eccles post is well written and cogent. Such "initiatives" as are being discussed at the moment will be unlikely to result in any rational differentiation between pre and post watershed content. These moves are propelled by blind prejudice and the pressure groups who bundle sex and violence together in one phrase.
This hankering back to a golden age when there was a "pure " attitude pervading are nonsense; I lived through the 1950's - the overriding memory about this and most of the morality of the time is one of hypocrisy. However, appealing to the "moral majority" seems to win votes - not many newspapers, or politicians, are going to campaign for relaxation of restrictions when it challenges the British prejudice against sexual behaviour being normal rather than something dirty.
Things will gradually change by creeping and moving towards what we all know is a more ratonal position, but such as is currently being discussed will stall this for a while, in my opinion.
The other aspect is money. Huge profits are earned from the adult industry and whilst ever there are restrictions on generally a available media outlets, more can be charged for the content which, even slightly, extends the boundaries. The current access via such sites as MFC give a more satisfactory service as regards content but are expensive once in group or private shows for any length of time and can not possibly be of the same quality as a studio produced TV programme. It follows that those who are benefitting from the income of the industry, and by that I dont mean the models ( for whom I have massive respect and also great sympathy, they often being criticised for controls which they can not be expected to breach), must also be hoping that the restrictions will continue.
I hope I'm wrong, but I fear we still will have to wait some time for things to radically change.
Ofcom and their unfair adult channel rules are really annoying me a present , i am referring to the fact that adult channels (Cellcast) with a non uk adult licence are allowed to do things that channels using a UK licence can't do , is this fair and good for competition ? and is it indirectly responsible for channels breaching Ofcom rules ? .
Is it fair that any adult phone in channel with a UK licence can't start before 12am on freeview ? , while Cellcast with their Dutch licence now start at 10pm , is this fair and good for competition , i think not .
In the last year or so most of the Babe channels have had serious Ofcom troubles , Bangbabes no longer exist , Live 960 have also had their licence revoked , Elite , RLC and the Sport have all had or are still having Ofcom troubles , only Cellcast haven't . Cellcast put out on one occasion last year a live BSXtreme show unencrypted for a time with close up pussy licking shown , this was well documented at the time in the BS threads , could you imagine the trouble this sort of error would create for channels with a Ofcom UK licence !! .
Also some of the Cellcast girls go more or less full frontal nude at times , Amanda has at times shown every thing on BS , the caps and vids of this are in her BS threads , other girls have also gone more or less full frontal as well , Mariah Milano showed every thing at just after 10pm on freeview , the caps and vids are available to see on her BS thread . Stevie , Camilla and others have also had major slips or have intentionally shown everything . If any of the other channel with a UK licence did what Cellcast have been doing and are still doing they would have serious Ofcom troubles . I am not blaming Cellcast for this , i am blaming Ofcom and the unfair playing field that adult channel with a UK licence have to play on , i think these unfair rules are partly to blame for channels getting into trouble with Ofcom , they see what the Cellcast girls are allowed to do and show , so in order to compete with what the Cellcast girls do they allow their girls to do the same , the only problem is that Ofcom don't allow them to , so find the channels in breach .
So like i say is it fair for channels with a foreign adult licence to get away with things that Ofcom don't allow channels to do with a UK licence ? , just think of all the fines and in breach rulings Cellcast have got away with by not having a UK licence and how much other channels would have gotten away with if they also had a Dutch licence . All adult channels that broadcast on UK TV should all be allowed to do and show the same , otherwise some channels will have a unfair advantage by not using a UK licence IMO .
(05-06-2011 14:14 )mr mystery Wrote: [ -> ]Ofcom and their unfair adult channel rules are really annoying me a present , i am referring to the fact that adult channels (Cellcast) with a non uk adult licence are allowed to do things that channels using a UK licence can't do , is this fair and good for competition ? and is it indirectly responsible for channels breaching Ofcom rules ? .
Is it fair that any adult phone in channel with a UK licence can't start before 12am on freeview ? , while Cellcast with their Dutch licence now start at 10pm , is this fair and good for competition , i think not .
In the last year or so most of the Babe channels have had serious Ofcom troubles , Bangbabes no longer exist , Live 960 have also had their licence revoked , Elite , RLC and the Sport have all had or are still having Ofcom troubles , only Cellcast haven't . Cellcast put out on one occasion last year a live BSXtreme show unencrypted for a time with close up pussy licking shown , this was well documented at the time in the BS threads , could you imagine the trouble this sort of error would create for channels with a Ofcom UK licence !! .
Also some of the Cellcast girls go more or less full frontal nude at times , Amanda has at times shown every thing on BS , the caps and vids of this are in her BS threads , other girls have also gone more or less full frontal as well , Mariah Milano showed every thing at just after 10pm on freeview , the caps and vids are available to see on her BS thread . Stevie , Camilla and others have also had major slips or have intentionally shown everything . If any of the other channel with a UK licence did what Cellcast have been doing and are still doing they would have serious Ofcom troubles . I am not blaming Cellcast for this , i am blaming Ofcom and the unfair playing field that adult channel with a UK licence have to play on , i think these unfair rules are partly to blame for channels getting into trouble with Ofcom , they see what the Cellcast girls are allowed to do and show , so in order to compete with what the Cellcast girls do they allow their girls to do the same , the only problem is that Ofcom don't allow them to , so find the channels in breach .
So like i say is it fair for channels with a foreign adult licence to get away with things that Ofcom don't allow channels to do with a UK licence ? , just think of all the fines and in breach rulings Cellcast have got away with by not having a UK licence and how much other channels would have gotten away with if they also had a Dutch licence . All adult channels that broadcast on UK TV should all be allowed to do and show the same , otherwise some channels will have a unfair advantage by not using a UK licence IMO .
We've spoken on this before, and everyone else seems to think that having a Dutch license does not matter. Maybe they are right, and Cellcast just shows at bit more at times, and keeps the 2-4-1's tame for Sexstation business purposes. Hard to tell, but they certainly get away with more. I don't want them to get in trouble, but I'm just giving an example, and wish the other channels could show more as well.
(05-06-2011 18:02 )mrmann Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2011 14:14 )mr mystery Wrote: [ -> ]
We've spoken on this before, and everyone else seems to think that having a Dutch license does not matter. Maybe they are right, and Cellcast just shows at bit more at times, and keeps the 2-4-1's tame for Sexstation business purposes. Hard to tell, but they certainly get away with more. I don't want them to get in trouble, but I'm just giving an example, and wish the other channels could show more as well.
I haven't a clue about how much immunity the Dutch licence Cellcast use gives them against Ofcom breaches , but like i have said this Dutch licence allows them to start on freeview 2 hours before any channel is allowed to with a UK licence , this is not fair or good for competition .
I mentioned what and how much the Cellcast girl show because it has already been mentioned on the BS threads , caps and vids are also there for everyone including Ofcom to see , if girls from other channels had shown what is shown in the BS threads then most likely the caps and vids of the girls flashing would have been removed by request of the channel , Cellcast seem quite happy to leave their girls flashes were they are , so maybe they unlike other channels are not bothered about Ofcom .
My comments aren't really about how much the girls do or do not show , they are more about all the adult channels being allowed the same freedom whatever licence they use , foreign or from the UK .
At present from what i can understand , Cellcast by using a Dutch licence are allowed to start at 10pm instead of 12am like they would have to if they had a UK licence and they never get any Ofcom fines no matter what the girls show on screen , so Cellcast have 2 major advantages over channel using a UK licence , which IMO is not fair or good for competition , so like i have said i haven't a clue what difference this Dutch licence makes other than the earlier start time and Cellcast never get Ofcom fines no matter what the girls show .
PS . I just want to reiterate that i am not having a go at Cellcast for using a Dutch licence or their girls for showing what they do , my beef is with Ofcom and the unfair rules that the UK licenced babe shows seem to have to adhere to , whereas the BS girls seem to get away with things that Ofcom would soon crack down on if girls from Elite , RLC , Sport xxx etc did the same .
(05-06-2011 18:02 )mrmann Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2011 14:14 )mr mystery Wrote: [ -> ]Ofcom and their unfair adult channel rules are really annoying me a present , i am referring to the fact that adult channels (Cellcast) with a non uk adult licence are allowed to do things that channels using a UK licence can't do , is this fair and good for competition ? and is it indirectly responsible for channels breaching Ofcom rules ? .
Is it fair that any adult phone in channel with a UK licence can't start before 12am on freeview ? , while Cellcast with their Dutch licence now start at 10pm , is this fair and good for competition , i think not .
In the last year or so most of the Babe channels have had serious Ofcom troubles , Bangbabes no longer exist , Live 960 have also had their licence revoked , Elite , RLC and the Sport have all had or are still having Ofcom troubles , only Cellcast haven't . Cellcast put out on one occasion last year a live BSXtreme show unencrypted for a time with close up pussy licking shown , this was well documented at the time in the BS threads , could you imagine the trouble this sort of error would create for channels with a Ofcom UK licence !! .
Also some of the Cellcast girls go more or less full frontal nude at times , Amanda has at times shown every thing on BS , the caps and vids of this are in her BS threads , other girls have also gone more or less full frontal as well , Mariah Milano showed every thing at just after 10pm on freeview , the caps and vids are available to see on her BS thread . Stevie , Camilla and others have also had major slips or have intentionally shown everything . If any of the other channel with a UK licence did what Cellcast have been doing and are still doing they would have serious Ofcom troubles . I am not blaming Cellcast for this , i am blaming Ofcom and the unfair playing field that adult channel with a UK licence have to play on , i think these unfair rules are partly to blame for channels getting into trouble with Ofcom , they see what the Cellcast girls are allowed to do and show , so in order to compete with what the Cellcast girls do they allow their girls to do the same , the only problem is that Ofcom don't allow them to , so find the channels in breach .
So like i say is it fair for channels with a foreign adult licence to get away with things that Ofcom don't allow channels to do with a UK licence ? , just think of all the fines and in breach rulings Cellcast have got away with by not having a UK licence and how much other channels would have gotten away with if they also had a Dutch licence . All adult channels that broadcast on UK TV should all be allowed to do and show the same , otherwise some channels will have a unfair advantage by not using a UK licence IMO .
We've spoken on this before, and everyone else seems to think that having a Dutch license does not matter. Maybe they are right, and Cellcast just shows at bit more at times, and keeps the 2-4-1's tame for Sexstation business purposes. Hard to tell, but they certainly get away with more. I don't want them to get in trouble, but I'm just giving an example, and wish the other channels could show more as well.
There are certain benefits to being licensed offshore, some of which have already been mentioned, but content isn't one of them if you're broadcasting on Sky & Freeview.
Make no mistake, if Cellcast did broadcast R18 content regularly on BSXtreme and allowed girls to flash persistently on their free-to-air channels, OFCOM would demand that Sky & Freeview remove them from their channel slots.
(05-06-2011 14:14 )mr mystery Wrote: [ -> ]Also some of the Cellcast girls go more or less full frontal nude at times , Amanda has at times shown every thing on BS , the caps and vids of this are in her BS threads , other girls have also gone more or less full frontal as well , Mariah Milano showed every thing at just after 10pm on freeview , the caps and vids are available to see on her BS thread . Stevie , Camilla and others have also had major slips or have intentionally shown everything.
Really? And here's me thinking BS is a bag of shite. I'll have to check out those threads you mention. Does this full frontal gash-flashing only happen on freeview, or on Sky too?