(01-06-2012 20:23 )Sootbag1 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think people on this forum quite 'get it' 
If the broadcaster is trying to get the viewer to phone up a premium rate telephone number and part with his cash, then Ofcom will not allow overtly sexual imagery to be used to entice the viewer to ring the sex chatline.
I think we 'get it', Sootbag. Most of us understand their regulation, but what we
don't get or understand is
why they think like they do. A fanny is a fanny is a fanny. Why does it matter whether that fanny is being shown in some late-night film or on a babeshow advertising a premium rate telephone service??
The prices and TOS are there for everyone to see, so why do Ofcom feel they need to be involved? Why do they assume the role of our carer and guardian, protecting us from spending our money on a sex-line service? What the FUCK has it got to do with Ofcom if Joe Bloggs wants to spend £10 of HIS money calling a babeshow chatline?
Very well put.
Sootbag's the one who doesn't get it, and he also needs to be reminded that Ofcom only recently reclassified the babe channels as tele-advertising (from their previous classification as adult entertainment) for no other reason than to control them further. The question remains ... why?
It's indisputable that the public do not find them offensive. Occasional complaints are made to Ofcom in single figures (literally one complaint), usually by rival channels and not members of the public. Ofcom, who must be aware of the spurious nature of the complaint, then waste tens of thousands of pounds investigating it. The wastage of public money is the real scandal.
Sootbag's comment makes me think of lap dancing licenses. Clubs can't give lap dances, not because the police is entirely against that idea, but because they have to PAY to get a license first! Can't have someone making money unless the police/government gets a slice of it
. Sad.
With all the money OfCON has taken from the babe channels, how about letting them off the hook from now on!
(01-06-2012 20:23 )Sootbag1 Wrote: [ -> ] (31-05-2012 22:03 )mrmann Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks, but they do show plenty of uncensored vaginas on non adult channels. Half of the time they are completely uncensored on Sexcetera and other channels, yet the adult channels still need to be super careful not to flash at all
I don't think people on this forum quite 'get it' If the broadcaster is trying to get the viewer to phone up a premium rate telephone number and part with his cash, then Ofcom will not allow overtly sexual imagery to be used to entice the viewer to ring the sex chatline. If the broadcaster is merely showing erotic content for the passive enjoyment of the viewer, then Ofcom do not concern themselves unduely (unless severe offence/hard is caused).
No, German TV channels used to have erotic shows like Die Manner Magazine (Mans Magazine) that featured softcore strips and sex scenes as well as fast cars and other lifestyle stuff. There was no pretence of editorial justification, is was for entertainment, but no promotion of phone sex lines either.
If any British channel attempted to show erotic content for entertainment, with no pretence of a documentary element or script relevance it would be banned.
At the risk of contradicting my previous post, channel 5* (Sky 176) is showing Real Sex: Some Like It Hot now, 11 to midnight. Usual fake documentary format, I cannot believe the supposedly normal people who tell a complete stranger on camera their sexual fantasies, history and masturbation techniques.
Fleeting glimpses, but a glimpse of fanny where two naked women were covered with whipped creme and fruit. Though "covered" is misleading.
A group of 8 women had a masturbation party, orgasming in front of friends and camera.
A man with a fetish for BIG women was shown with his tackle out, no lingering shot there. (Dont tell Fedup!) We also got to see a fat woman apparently holding his knob, an attractive young woman wearing a blue strap on approaching another woman and someone with their and firmly between an attractive womans naked legs. Nothing graphic, but a few genital shots and a lot that would not be allowed on a babe channel.
Then it went into adult babies and their elderly "moms", nearly made me spill my Campairi. I did when without so much as a logo it segued into the Tampax Pearl ad and a shot of tweed clad Mother Nature. Now I have an embarrasing stain on my Kalvin Kliens. Oh no, the adult babies are back. Must admit the maid looks interesting.
BUT It is made out to be a documentary, so Ofcom say thats OK. Does anyone take this stuff seriously?
(02-06-2012 23:41 )eccles Wrote: [ -> ]If any British channel attempted to show erotic content for entertainment, with no pretence of a documentary element or script relevance it would be banned.
Exactly. You can get away with sexual content or nudity on TV as long as it's masked in an 'educational', drama or documentary context, even if that mask is flimsy and unconvincing. Pure entertainment = never.
This was not always the case, as early Men & Motors fans will confirm! For some unknown reason, as well as cracking down on the babe channels Ofcom has more or less banned any entertainment show that has an erotic element. I would think even Eurotrash would struggle to get through the censorship these days. Remember Channel Five's 'Sex & Shopping'? It could never happen now.
Actually I'm old enough to remember TV drama from the late 70s onwards and there was a lot more sexual content then than there is now. Another sign of the current new puritanism we seem to be living through.
(03-06-2012 00:05 )Digital Dave Wrote: [ -> ] (02-06-2012 23:41 )eccles Wrote: [ -> ]If any British channel attempted to show erotic content for entertainment, with no pretence of a documentary element or script relevance it would be banned.
Exactly. You can get away with sexual content or nudity on TV as long as it's masked in an 'educational', drama or documentary context, even if that mask is flimsy and unconvincing. Pure entertainment = never.
This was not always the case, as early Men & Motors fans will confirm! For some unknown reason, as well as cracking down on the babe channels Ofcom has more or less banned any entertainment show that has an erotic element. I would think even Eurotrash would struggle to get through the censorship these days. Remember Channel Five's 'Sex & Shopping'? It could never happen now.
Actually I'm old enough to remember TV drama from the late 70s onwards and there was a lot more sexual content then than there is now. Another sign of the current new puritanism we seem to be living through.
They haven't banned Sexcetera.
Sexcetera is a searing and courageous documentary series, highly commended by Ofcom.
Actually, I think it was Scottishbloke who pointed out that even Sexcetera has been censored, with fanny shots shown in the earlier transmissions now being pixellated out.
(04-06-2012 02:41 )Digital Dave Wrote: [ -> ]Sexcetera is a searing and courageous documentary series, highly commended by Ofcom.
Actually, I think it was Scottishbloke who pointed out that even Sexcetera has been censored, with fanny shots shown in the earlier transmissions now being pixellated out.
He must not be watching much of it then. You should read my rant from a couple weeks back. Whenever I watch Sexcetera, that's the level it's at. Penis shots galore uncensored, 75% of the vaginal shots uncensored, especially full frontal, mutilation uncensored, blade through penis shaft uncensored and prolonged, violent nude spanking, whiping, hooks through nipples, dildos up the bum almost showing all etc.
(04-06-2012 02:58 )mrmann Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2012 02:41 )Digital Dave Wrote: [ -> ]Sexcetera is a searing and courageous documentary series, highly commended by Ofcom.
Actually, I think it was Scottishbloke who pointed out that even Sexcetera has been censored, with fanny shots shown in the earlier transmissions now being pixellated out.
He must not be watching much of it then. You should read my rant from a couple weeks back. Whenever I watch Sexcetera, that's the level it's at. Penis shots galore uncensored, 75% of the vaginal shots uncensored, especially full frontal, mutilation uncensored, blade through penis shaft uncensored and prolonged, violent nude spanking, whiping, hooks through nipples, dildos up the bum almost showing all etc.
I only have freeview and Sexcetera fanny lips are all pixellated out,,penis shots galore as usual..
Imagine this been talked about;
OMG they showed a penis on Sexcetera last night with both testicles in shot and the mans legs were apart..Well on Sex Lessons they showed a penis with foreskin pulled back for 3 seconds but you could not see urethra,..well Naked Britain on Pick TV showed a mans urethra last night but was pixellated out..On Sex Lessons they showed a man with his legs apart with penis and testicles in view with no censorship cant believe it...Well on Sexcetra they showed a penis uncensored and the man had his forskin back and testicles in view my god it was sexually explicit..I watched Eurotrash last night and all penises were censored out but vaginas were shown with fanny lips apart and you see everything its so sexist why do they ban the penis on UK TV..Yeah why are penises banned on tv yet you can show vaginas with hole and urethra etc
Do you see what i mean this could have been the rules in the begginig and women would be talking like the above because penises can only be shown if medical or arty.What if in the beggining it was illegal to show a penis in full shot with foreskin pulled back and heaven forbid the urethra because its So Sexually explicit ..
Do you see how they can make up any rules ,,they show penis all the time but decide to ban the vagina with NO VALID REASON WHATSOEVER...Why is the vaginal lips,urethra and vaginal hole banned yet they show a penis with foreskin pulled back and erethra which is sexually explicit also..There is no reason its just made up rules which folk except WELL I DONT ITS PURE SEXISM..
Ofcom treat male and female genatalia differently when its what we are born with,,OFCOM are therefore sexist fucking twats.