(17-06-2017 12:20 )wackawoo Wrote: [ -> ]It's a shame this human tragidy is being use as a political beating stick and attacks on May.
Is there any reason on this Earth why she personally should have known anyhting about the sprinkler system in this tower block? Shouldn't that be the local council?
Yeah. Yeah. She's the real victim in this...
Jesus christ. If it was making Labour look bad you'd be politicizing the f**k out of it.
(17-06-2017 12:20 )wackawoo Wrote: [ -> ]It's a shame this human tragidy is being use as a political beating stick and attacks on May.
Is there any reason on this Earth why she personally should have known anyhting about the sprinkler system in this tower block? Shouldn't that be the local council?
May is in charge of the government who make the laws. The buck stops with her. As for political, you would have been the first to blame Corbyn for the disaster, if Labour had been in power.
(17-06-2017 14:26 )hugh_g_rection Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. Yeah. She's the real victim in this...
Jesus christ. If it was making Labour look bad you'd be politicizing the f**k out of it.
Who said she was the real victem?
And Labour have done nothing I could have had a go at? could have had a field day.
But to keep constantly trying to lay the blame on her when she can't possibly have known anything about the fire hazzards in the tower is nothing short of absurdity.
Worst still, it's using the deaths of those people for political motives. You and others may not have a problme with that, but I do.
As for how she deals with the press and public, it's been pretty clear to me since I was first aware of her she's an heads down office type of person.
It's always the finger pointers that would have done everything perfectly.
What we have here is a natural tragidy, it could have been prevented, but then, it may not, sprinkler systems may not have been effective against it.
What needs to be ask what was in the building materials that made a building like that catch fire and spread so rapidly. Fire engines was in the scene in minutes pooring gallons of water on and it still did nothing to holt the spread.
From what I could see on the news, the fire spread up the outside and they escape routes blocked off due to smoke. I don't know how effective sprinklers are against smoke, out side or via the detritus in the cavens of the walls.
(17-06-2017 14:48 )SOCATOA Wrote: [ -> ]May is in charge of the government who make the laws. The buck stops with her. As for political, you would have been the first to blame Corbyn for the disaster, if Labour had been in power.
Nice to hear a totally objective opnion; no, the buck does not stop with her.
If complaints were made to the local council and that council ignored the complaints, that buck stops there.
Corbyn as been a fool in all this, I have not made a single comment about him.
Fires do not acknowledge political parties, people in the tower block would have voted in many different ways or not voted at all, this is not about politcs.
wonder if they will cut the costs on the refurb of the houses of parlimant to put into making the changes to all the old blocks of flats
the Hof P is an accident waiting to happen with the old electrical system and steam pipes from the heating system
^Guy Fawkes had the right idea.
(17-06-2017 14:54 )wackawoo Wrote: [ -> ]... this is not about politcs.
You are being deliberately obtuse. It is absurd to say that this is not a political situation. You are casting aside all context to make an utterly spurious argument.
It's about politics because remarkably similar fires, one in another London borough, had claimed lives in recent years. Changes to regulations were supposed to be made at Governmental level and were not. Austerity and a certain pervading political ideology encouraged the local council here to, reportedly, cut corners in specific areas of the refurb whilst holding back an enlarged warchest against even harder times. May might not have been the figurehead behind these things and, I agree, it is disingenuous to blame her specifically for this incident, but she is part of the overall problem with her indifference to these issues just as she is to yours with your struggles to keep your benefits.
(May has also not helped herself with the inhumanity she has exhibited in the aftermath to this event, and her inability to stray from the script in response to questions about the same.)
The point is that what we have all witnessed this week was NOT a completely natural disaster, nor a terrorist incident say, that can take any and all from this earth without fear or favour. This was not an indiscriminate act but had a specific 'underclass' in focus. It was a disaster that simply would never have come close to happening, in the way it did here, in any affluent area of this country.
The initial spark the other night looks to have been accidental but successive UK governments (shamefully of multiple hues) have been complicit in stoking its combustibility with numerous years of indifference, neglect and penny-pinching ways. The eventual death toll, whatever the sickening number we finally reach, was entirely avoidable. As such
a lot of the anger we are seeing from the locals is not engineered I feel but eminently justified.
Call out obvious political opportunism by all means but let's not cheapen these people's deaths by letting people wash their hands of enabling the situation which allowed it to happen.
(17-06-2017 14:54 )wackawoo Wrote: [ -> ]... this is not about politcs.
(17-06-2017 21:48 )ShandyHand Wrote: [ -> ]You are casting aside all context to make an utterly spurious argument.
mate, he should make that his fuckin motto ! lol.
(17-06-2017 21:48 )ShandyHand Wrote: [ -> ]You are being deliberately obtuse. It is absurd to say that this is not a political situation. You are casting aside all context to make an utterly spurious argument.
No, it's about the victems.
58 are still missing and the squabbles and politics have been going on for days, the victems are all but getitng eclipsed by who's to blame, this perosn did great, this perosn didn't do great.
Blame game can happen later at the inquirey stage.
You might bit be appalled about that, but I am.
(17-06-2017 21:56 )terence Wrote: [ -> ]mate, he should make that his fuckin motto ! lol.
This comes from the perosn who looks at two almost identical posts and calls one a racist and understands the other?
Foud the other racist homophobic, bigoted posts of mine yet?
Oh yes, and others have also agreed with what I have stated, including shadyhand.