Have Ofcom only hit the "major" chat channels (BS,BB,Elite)?...
I only ask this because if you tune into one of the others (Club Paradiso) they still wear the same kind of attire
(28-12-2010 18:00 )StanTheMan Wrote: [ -> ] (28-12-2010 13:35 )RCTV Wrote: [ -> ]I'm going to gloss over the last page, as people are entitlted to their own opinions, but all i will say is, people will not like being told that they have to have a pin, they've tried it in other countries and it has failed big time.
RCTV, have you read even a single word of Scottishbloke's propositiion regarding PIN protection? His idea would be that no one would be 'forced' to have a PIN. New boxes would come with the adult channels already hidden behind a six-digit (extra security) PIN. If you have children and/or don't want these adult channels available then you don't need to do a single thing.
That does leave the problem of the millions of people with existing boxes, of course, but we're looking further into the future with this.
Oh, and IanG, if I could thank you a million times for your last post I would. There was more sense spoken in that one post than there has been in practically the whole thread (with the exception of Scottishbloke's and a few others)
yeah I have and can see how it could work, but you have people that don't have kids and then have to enter the pin each time they want to watch, and tbh I don't think it should be automatically, but that there should be an option when purchased to have a card to do that, if there is kids, but not by default on every box, but on the card.
RCTV what exactly is your problem I for one along with the majority on this forum don't have a problem with what entering a code into the box which you would ONLY have to be done ONCE to switch on the Adult channels. This would take all of 5 SECONDS, I am trying to come up with an amicable SOLUTION which suits all parties. Are you sure you don't work for OFCOM as you're quite clearly trying to throw a spanner into the works with your ridiculous statements. What exactly is your POINT!
i don't work for ofcom, and I don't have a problem, I'm just showing you the problems it could cause. I also never disagreed with it, just could see some problems with it.
You say enter it once, I'm taking that to mean once and never again, the problem would then happen that kids could then see it.
If you mean each time it is turned on then yeah it could work, but I don't like the fact the people who don't have kids would have them blocked.
There should be an option on the card to do that and not on every box.
(28-12-2010 20:34 )Proj Wrote: [ -> ]Have Ofcom only hit the "major" chat channels (BS,BB,Elite)?...
I only ask this because if you tune into one of the others (Club Paradiso) they still wear the same kind of attire
It is for all the channels, and they should all be following it.
RCTV there is nothing complicated about it. It's simple you can switch them off again if you desire to and also with a 6 digit code not even Einstein would be able to crack that one which the parent/guardian can change the code as many times as they see fit. What I have proposed is a fair and democratic way for all. There is no problems with this system whatsoever so don't be looking for any because that's the kind of backward minded thoughts that go through the heads of that at Ofcom. Maybe the biggest problem Ofcom have is that they don't think these channels should be allowed on the screens in the first place but by law they have to be permitted and have basically got a problem with the morality of it all so have put rules and regulations which in all truth should not have to be or expected to be enforced on a sexline channel which effectively puts it on a leash and that's why the product we see on screen is basically like a watered down pint of lager. This is an idea which would work NO PROBLEM OK!
ok. The problem is you say that, but I bet people will find problems with it and I can think of a few which they could say is a problem and use it against that idea. Mainly they can be guessed easily, but it does sound a better system.
I would personally do it purely on the card and not the box, but use that system. If anyone wonders why I say card and box seperately, that is purely because some of the digital tv in spain is automatically put through the box and other channels then go through the card that you have and package you have.
Well at least you're warming to the idea more and possibly the card system could work aswell. For the pin code entry well some people are never happy but it should be Ofcom's duty and nothing more to give clear and concise instructions over the phone on how to block these channels to anybody that has a problem with them. Ofcom have to recognise them for what they are and they make a lot of people happy so this market should not be discriminated against as it is at present. Even going back to the recent X Factor complaint that was ridiculous that anybody found offence at that. But if Ofcom could at least back the fuck off the babe channels and focus more on the mainstream channels instead that would be seen as a significant bit of progress.
ofcom never will as you always have the annoying people that complain about every little thing. Also with the bang thing they won't.
people do need to recognise things are changing, but then again people need to recognise there needs to be rules.
(28-12-2010 22:31 )RCTV Wrote: [ -> ]ok. The problem is you say that, but I bet people will find problems with it and I can think of a few which they could say is a problem and use it against that idea. Mainly they can be guessed easily...
You keep saying this, RCTV, and everytime I ask you to explain exactly
how a random PIN can be guessed. With current Sky boxes it's a four-digit PIN, but you only get three guesses before it locks up completely.
So I'll ask again. Why do you say it's so easy to 'guess' someone's PIN? If your answer is because people use birthdays and commonly-known combinations, then that's their own stupid fucking fault!
I serioulsy wonder if you are in favour of Ofcom tightening up because stronger adult material in this country would threaten the European market - of which you have a vested interest.
Well said Stan if Ofcom would lighten up and allow the UK babe shows to operate in the manner they were intended to do so in the first place I do seriously think they could possibly be the best in the whole of Europe just going by the sheer amount of channels we have on the air at the moment and maybe RCTV does see this as a major threat. This is an issue that really should be addressed in the coming year if the shows are to evolve into something bigger starting with the way the current box's are being developed. As far as production go's the UK is probably no 1 with the exception of Eurotic TV. Sexysat for starters great shows but productions values are fucking shit and Elite for example if it was allowed to show unrestricted viewing would simply blow channels like Sexysat into the gutter. Change has to happen even it means some sort of petition going to 10 Downing Street to demand for change.