(13-11-2009 19:19 )bytor Wrote: [ -> ]I am not trying to say that any person cannot be criticised or is above criticism and I am certainly not pointing a finger at you or anyone else on your thanks list. If someone posts that a certain girl is a waste of time and should not be on a show another person has the right to say the opposite surely? Everyone is entitled to their opinion including myself. Perhaps it simply boils down to perception and taste as to which viewpoint you are looking from.
Yes, someone has the right to say the opposite and express disagreement. The problem is that in the case of responding and reacting to non-positive comments it typically goes beyond expressing simple disagreement and into actually trying to prevent further expression of an opinion or view on the basis of dismissing it as wrong or even not genuine.
Again, you've hit the right point in raising perspective, but in the wrong context. The friction is typically caused when the "fans" base what they deem to be a genuine or valid opinion or remark on their own perspective. Negative comments or opinions are met with the attitude that once such an opinion has been expressed it should not be expressed again, and if it is raised again should be shut down because it has been mentioned before. On the other hand acclaim, praise and adoration go unchalleneged, are welcome and can be restated ad-nauseum regardless of how many times such comments and opinions have been mentioned or discussed.
The point is, for those elements of her fanbase which would try to elevate her beyond question, "everyone is entitled to their opinion" was/is suddenly NOT applicable where comments don't fit with what they view is right. This causes the aforementioned friction and as a result you get a greater degree of conflict and skeptisism than you would have otherwise had.
(13-11-2009 19:19 )bytor Wrote: [ -> ]I do think however when some of the girls say that they will not be coming on here again bacause of the abuse they have received from certain people then something is wrong. There is a big difference between being critical and being abusive. There is a big difference in making opinions known on the forum and posting offensive pm's as some of the girls have told me they have received in the last few months. That to me is making it personal and is bound to be upsetting for any of the girls.
It's the internet - the fuckwit is the national bird and you have to expect to run into the odd keyboard crank from time to time. The girls in particular are going to draw a few extra loons just because of their own public exposure and being the focus of attention.
Abusive PM's are unacceptible and members have been banned for sending them in the past. The girls can easily report them to a mod and it's easy enough to turn off the feature or even ignore them.
Genuine abuse will almost always result in the abuser getting flamed to hell and back by the inevitable flurry of defenders which will spring up, and will be tackled by mods when they come upon it or it is reported to them.
Critisism, which makes up the majority of remarks (but is often portrayed as "abuse"), is inevitable and if the girls aren't able to accept that it occurs and handle it then they're in the wrong business being in the public eye, let alone posting on a forum in which they and their work is discussed.
That aside, it's a two way street. Many girls use this board only to tout for business and show little respect to the posters here. Others behave in a manner which anyone would expect to be called on and get flack for. For example and keeping on topic, Paige didn't do herself any favours in her responses here, stirring up trouble and behaving in a way which could only illicit a negative reaction.
