man city could be in the tncf trophy or no european football at all after christmas.
Again man united get the easy draw... Shame there too shit these daus to capitalise on these things... Fergies days are over, there are younger coaches up and coming who are better tactically than whisky nose... And juve might not have any star names but like i said you dont go undefeated all season if your no good...
(30-08-2012 17:03 )groundnpound Wrote: [ -> ] (30-08-2012 03:09 )iamthatjack Wrote: [ -> ]The only reason Juve will struggle will because they are in Pot 3, I didn't realise that 
Quote:This is a team who'll play the full season without their manager.
They drew 15 of 38 games in that rubbish league last season! AC Milan won more games and scored more goals. Juventus didn't have a single player in the top 10 of the goalscoring charts. Their top scorer got 10 goals and he didn't make the Italy Euro 2012 squad. I look at their team and see very little for the best teams in Europe to worry about. Pirlo being the exception. That's why i don't fancy them, at all. Their forward pool is Vucinic, Giovinco, Quagliarella and Matri. Compare that quartet with the forwards at the teams i rate above them.
Yes AC Milan won more games, but Juventus lost less games, they lost none by the way.
Yes AC Milan scored more goals last season, but only 6 more than Juventus, who don't have the greatest of forward lines. They will beef it up a bit, but Bendther is not the answer.
Juventus also had best defence out of all the major teams in the best leagues in Europe. They only conceded 20 in Serie A last season.
Not having Conte for the season, is an issue. But I don't think their assistant manager will change much while Conte is gone
Group stage draw for 2012/13 Champions league
Just to make predictions of my own for, who will get out of each group
Group A
FC Porto
FC Dynamo Kiev
Paris St Germain
Dinamo Zagreb
1. PSG
2. FC Porto
* If Porto keep Hulk and Moutinho then I think they will finish top
Group B
Arsenal
FC Schalke 04
Olympiakos
Montpellier
1. Arsenal
2. Schalke
Group C
AC Milan
FC Zenit St Petersburg
Anderlecht
Malaga
1. Zenit St. Petersburg
2. AC Milan
Group D
Real Madrid
Manchester City
Ajax
Borussia Dortmund
1. Real Madrid
2. Man City
* I really hope Dortmund get out of that group
Group E
Chelsea
Shakhtar Donetsk
Juventus
FC Nordsjaelland
1. Chelsea
2. Juventus
Group F
Bayern Munich
Valencia
Lille
BATE Borisov
1. Bayern Munich
2. Valcenia
Group G
FC Barcelona
Benfica
FC Spartak Moscow
Celtic
1. Barcelona
2. Benfica
* I see Spartak Moscow getting out that group with Barcelona if Benfica don't keep their best players
Group H
Manchester United
FC Braga
Galatasaray
CFR Cluj
1. Man United
2. Braga
These were the odds on Betfair a couple of days ago, plus the current odds after the draw (in red)
(28-08-2012 09:10 )eagle_si Wrote: [ -> ]Odds of the favourites:
Barcelona 3.85 (3.65), Real M 4.8 (5.4), Man City 8.6 (11), Man U 12.5 (10), Bayern 14.5 (14), Chelsea 16 (15), Juventus 21 (22), PSG 24 (22), Dortmund 30 (40), Arsenal 32 (24)
So unsurprisingly, Man City, Real and Dortmund have all drifted in the betting after being drawn together in the Group of Death, and Man U have come in after getting a relatively easy group (but people said that last season). What is surprising to me is how far Arsenal have come in.
One final thing, the seeding system really makes a mockery of the term "Champions League". Dortmund won the Bundesliga last season, and the season before that, and ended up in Pot 4 with the lowest seeds while Schalke, who only came third, were in Pot 2. I know why it happens, because of their recent record in European competition, but it still seems unfair. Oh for the good old days when only league champions could play in it and everyone else went into the UEFA Cup, which was a damn good competition, not like today's Europa League which no-one wants to be in.
(30-08-2012 18:10 )Fernandez Esperenda Wrote: [ -> ]Again man united get the easy draw... Shame there too shit these daus to capitalise on these things... Fergies days are over, there are younger coaches up and coming who are better tactically than whisky nose... And juve might not have any star names but like i said you dont go undefeated all season if your no good...
I will agree with you that United yet again seem to draw an "easy" group.
However I have never heard such drivel written about Fergie before. By no means is he my hero or anything, but to suggest the bloke is past it based on your prejudice is ridiculous.
He has rebuilt United god knows how many times and this is just another transition. Last season he took an average United side to the brink of winning the league against big spending City.
(30-08-2012 21:43 )Money_Shot Wrote: [ -> ] (30-08-2012 18:10 )Fernandez Esperenda Wrote: [ -> ]Again man united get the easy draw... Shame there too shit these daus to capitalise on these things... Fergies days are over, there are younger coaches up and coming who are better tactically than whisky nose... And juve might not have any star names but like i said you dont go undefeated all season if your no good...
I will agree with you that United yet again seem to draw an "easy" group.
However I have never heard such drivel written about Fergie before. By no means is he my hero or anything, but to suggest the bloke is past it based on your prejudice is ridiculous.
He has rebuilt United god knows how many times and this is just another transition. Last season he took an average United side to the brink of winning the league against big spending City.
good point about fergie but lets say with the finances and resources available to him i am quite surprised he still has only won the european cup twice and hes been at man utd since the mid 80's! obviously if they won the league in the mid 80's then the the ban would hav been a problem but it took him a while to win the league anyway! i just feel that all the attempts he has had to win it and some of the teams he has put together he should hav won it more than twice! BUT if not for messi and his mates he might hav won it a few more times!
Anyone who has any criticism for Fergie, in my mind, is crazy.
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You're well and truly in the Juve camp! No backing out now.
