gazfc, your last few comments are just ridiculous.
Like scottishbloke has said before me "for fucks sake..".. and then like my mate Stan has said "this is getting silly.."
.. so i'm going to say, grow up gazfc. You're either stupid(ly youthful) or if not, then just being bloody obstinate for the sake of stirring. So like i say, either way, grow up.
Well said it's not the first time gazfc has come on this forum to deliberately wind us up. I'll second that get a grip gaz and stop looking for problems that don't exist, we have enough problems these days with ofcunt before looking for any unnecessary ones to further add fuel to the fire.
I like how you fall back to the same shit insults when you know somebody else is making a good point, I aslo find it funny how scottishishbloke you claimed earlier to having the balls to post what you think, well I'm doing the same deal with it.
Edit: also what is so ridiculous about wanting to find out, why all of a sudden the biggest posters of "it's a natural body part, how can it be offensive etc" now say nudity in a public place is inappropriate, but only a couple of months ago couldn't rap their heads around the fact that some people just may be offended by nudity.
Also(again) as for the causeing trouble line, that's exactly what I think everytime you post in other sections moaning scottishbloke
Gazfc I think you need to calm the fuck down, yes sure you are more than entitled to your say so, it just seemed a bizarre statement to be coming out with on your last post and wholly off topic and didn't seem to fit into any pattern in relation to what the discussion was supposed to be about and you have been guilty of posting comments in the past on this section which many members would consider to be pro ofcom, so that's all I'm saying. You have been guilty of coming on here in the past with some of your posts which have at times been in what I would refer to as being in the wind up category. Like I said we are on this section to discuss ways on how to tackle ofcom, not encourage them OK.
(26-05-2011 22:13 )gazfc Wrote: [ -> ]I like how you fall back to the same shit insults when you know somebody else is making a good point, I aslo find it funny how scottishishbloke you claimed earlier to having the balls to post what you think, well I'm doing the same deal with it.
Edit: also what is so ridiculous about wanting to find out, why all of a sudden the biggest posters of "it's a natural body part, how can it be offensive etc" now say nudity in a public place is inappropriate, but only a couple of months ago couldn't rap their heads around the fact that some people just may be offended by nudity.
Also(again) as for the causeing trouble line, that's exactly what I think everytime you post in other sections moaning scottishbloke
I already pointed out the HUGE difference between sexual acts in public, and on an ADULT TV channel that's shot in a PRVATE studio. I'll refrase my comment above, because I'm not against public nudity if it's on a beach or spa, but I am against it for regular public places that are out in the open.
(26-05-2011 22:00 )gazfc Wrote: [ -> ] (26-05-2011 21:53 )Scottishbloke Wrote: [ -> ]Gazfc I think there is a big difference between a naked women walking past me in the street (if I should be so lucky) 
and a naked women on the TV, you're looking for problems that aren't there saying that if somebody is new to SKY they could be shocked by what they see on screen, well they know what they can do then, either change the fucking channel or block them via the SKY parental control in which the SKY installer will more than happily demonstrate when the system's up and running. Anyway how is the vagina more shocking anyway than the Breasts, who exactly decided that in the first place anyway. If you tune in for Prime Ministers questions there is nothing but c*nts on the screen but I bet you that Ofcom don't receive any complaints when that's on.
No what I'm trying to work out is why mrmann thinks its inappropriate in the street but not on tv, afterall there's nothing offensive about a naked body.
Here's my last attempt:
You're at your house, and have an option of watching what you like, so, no big deal. If a child happens to turn to a channel, then it's not a big deal either, as nudity is natural, and sexuality is natural, and the naked people are inside of a TV set. It won't ruin a child's life. That child will also likely be in bed anyway, or their parents will have blocked the channels as well. Lots of "safe" options here.
Now, you're outside, walking around a street corner, only to happen upon a nude man or woman. You also happen to notice the lewd comments being said to him/her, as well as people gathering around them to get a closer look, take pics, maybe even touch depending on the person. Don't forget the people in their cars who aren't paying attention to the road, as well as all of the children who have to see UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL, somebody's naked body with all of the crazy people it is attracting. At least at a beach, a parent can tell their child what they might see, but they'd have no way to predict this would happen in any other public place, which means no safe barrier. Now while simple public nudity likely won't ruin anyone's life either, it's certainly without the safe barrier that a TV provides, because you are right there with them. While you have the option of turning and walking somewhere else, it's still a bit of a shock because WE ARE NOT BROUGHT UP TO LIVE OUR LIVES IN PUBLIC WITH NO CLOTHES ON, whereas on the babe channels, they are in a studio which is private, and though there are people around, it's no different then being nude in your own home.
Now, imagine you are in a crowded public place with lots of people, and in five places you have a naked woman masturbating, a naked man masturbating, two lesbians doing each other, two gay men doing each other, and a straight couple having sex. Imagine how different it would be to see that in real life infront of many other people, in comparison to having an option to see that on TV. Now like with the other examples, sure you can walk away, but do you really think that would be appropriate for display outside in public?
Come on.
mrmann I couldn't help but piss myself with laughter mate when I read your post, it was rather amusing, yeah I would be quite shocked if I were to walk down my high street and stumble across this level of explicitness, would I take a picture and get my camera phone out, eh probably not, I think I'd most likely freeze with shock and have a mild heart attack
anyway yes you are spot on anything that is on the TV with the safety guards that we now have in place to protect the minors via the parental control and also by the time these programs are scheduled which is well after the watershed should be sufficient enough measures in place, afterall if they can show bad language and violence on the telly on channels that are not pin protected after the watershed then I don't really see why Ofcom have an objection of one seeing a naked women on the telly or maybe walking down the street if our lucks in
mind you Scotland's a bit cold for these type of shenanigans to happen even if it is approaching Summer Time.
Ok seen as you like scenarios
You walk round a corner see a naked person about 100 metres in front of you, now he's so far away you can't see anything but u know their naked, but on the other hand your flicking through your newly installed sky and flick onto a channel called Elite or lameduck think huh is one a nature channel? Let's have a look. Now this person could be confronted by a zoomed in shot of any kind of body part, showing lots of detail.
Both are inappropriate really but at the end of the day their both the same thing, neither should be labelled inappropriate just cause you don't feel comfortable with seeing it in person.
Nakedness is ok in any form, you can't have it both ways, either neither are inapropiate or both are. It doesn't matter which way you might happen to stumble across it.
you guys do know there is a law that says public nudity isnt a crime as long as it doesn't cause offence. some 1 has to actually complain b4 a policeman can arrest the person then it become indecent exposure. that person can if they want to, then appear in front of a judge and jury and will be given a chance to say his piece and the person accusing has to prove offence.
what some you guys seem to have done is gotten the law backwards.
it is infact inferred that any nudity on tv will cause offence. yet in public it has to be proven to do so.
on tv you have to justify it by context or you will be guilty of corrupting morals. if your nude in public you are innocent until proven guilty.
what really should be is the law should dictate what is seen on tv, not a government quango. so please as i said earlier. if you want to do something about it instead of repeating yourself or others page after page, get in touch with your mp, and lobby parliament. because it really is getting boring reading the same, why shit day after day...
you want change but your not doing anything on here that will cause change...
start a petition get 10,000 sigs, but if you do that, be realistic. dont go saying you want hardcore or basicaly people will just look at you funny. remind them there adults and as adults they are capable of making there own decisions. you dont need a none elected quango telling you what you can and cannot watch, and there only able to do it because you let them.
(27-05-2011 05:22 )HEX!T Wrote: [ -> ]you want change but your not doing anything on here that will cause change...
I agree with this to a certain extent HEX!T but it is a good thing that their is an outlet to vent our frustrations even if we are not going to do anything about it.
As far as OFCOM and censorship goes it's irrelevant. The regs are the regs. What OFCOM haven't realised is that the younger generation couldn't give a fuck about the Babe Channels. They have grown up accessing their erotic delights through the internet.
Where back in the day before high speed internet connections this was the main supply of live 'entertainment' it has now been surpassed. As a father of two teenagers, admittedly only a survey of two and me being such a modern parent a la Viz, they consider these channels lame.
Saying that I'm sure there are teenagers who still phone the channels but I would also say that one of the most popular, who is also intelligent and knows which way the wind is blowing, Bailey, has started to do live Web Cam shows. She's covering all the bases if you will pardon the expression.
I can see more and more of the most popular girls going this route.
It has been said that the Babe Channel girls have not had much success on the live web cam route but after a million hits, admittedly multiples of the same people, it's a sure bet that you might get an audience on line.
Yes, yes, I am Bailey's agent.
Here endeth the lesson, more to myself than anyone else and you will not see me on this thread again. (
He lies, who can resist)