Scottish Independence (the sequel)

Hate to burst your bubble any english goverment has to give permisson for another referedem and i doubt any of them will after such a close result

(26-09-2014 20:09 )HannahsPet Wrote:  Hate to burst your bubble any english goverment has to give permisson for another referedem and i doubt any of them will after such a close result

Well I hate to burst your bubble, but there's no such thing as an English government

Living close to the border and of Caledonian lineage I am glad the referendum is over. The salient word being over. The electorate voted no thanks. Cake deliverd. Eaten. Finis. I pity Sturgeon if Salmond doesn't shut up as it will make her job untenable.

ok Westminister goverment ie one based in England

(06-08-2014 22:20 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  

(06-08-2014 19:26 )stemmata Wrote:  This vote is totally contrived and irrelevant.

The way the Scottish give the lie that they are having a real heart felt debate about this issue is a joke.

THEY WILL NOT LEAVE THE UNION !!!!!!!

THE RESULT WAS KNOWN AND IS KNOWN THEY WILL NOT LEAVE THE UNION !!!!!.

THIS VOTE IS LESS IMPORTANT THAN WHEN THE WHOLE OF SCOTLAND VOTED FOR ........Michelle McManus IN POP IDOL.

AND WHAT A CAREER IN MUSIC SHE HAS HAD.

BORED BORED BORED






S.

Bit like your post, then.

Bit like I was right..........gonna enjoy saying this !!!!

told ya !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^ How much money did you make from the bookies?

(26-09-2014 20:30 )HannahsPet Wrote:  ok Westminister goverment ie one based in England

Still incorrect.

Even if it was in their prerogative to do so, which it isn't, the powers that be in the UK Electoral Commission would never -- in a million, gazillion years -- deny the right of a devolved assembly to run a referendum if that's what they choose to do. For a country that virtually invented modern parliamentary democracy, there could hardly be anything more undemocratic than denying people their rightful voice through a legally constituted referendum.

The body that determines the legality of UK referendums is the UK Electoral Commission, which has already stated -- numerous times -- that if a democratically elected assembly (be it Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish) calls for a referendum, then it will respect that decision and its only concern will be to ensure that the referendum is fair and legitimate (i.e. it comment on the wording of the question, set and enforce campaigning rules, monitor campaign spend, etc.).

So, in reality, the only determinants of if and when a next referendum will be run in Scotland are the following:

1. When the SNP control the Scottish Parliament; AND

2. The SNP think they will win.

As long as a nationalist-leaning party gets elected, they don't need Westminster's permission to run a referendum. They only need the confidence to think they'll win.

Sorry Hannah's Pet, but the reality is that Scot rule is in Scot hands ... now and forever more. We can't make them do anything. The best we can do is convince 50.1% of them to see things our way. That is the rod for our own back that we made 800 years ago when we emerged from the Dark Ages to create the modern version of democracy.

In fact, that is the best way to look at the whole result. Don't think of it as the UK beating Scotland. That is rubbish and it simply fuels the nationalist fire. A majority of the Scottish CHOSE to be a part of the UK. Embrace them and vindicate their choice. Don't waste energy kicking out at those who didn't.

(26-09-2014 21:52 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  ^ How much money did you make from the bookies?

Me bet on a sure thing.........nah !!!

Not when I can lose good money on the horses.



S.

I just noticed something that I wasn't previously aware of - the vote for independence was 45% and in the last Scottish election the vote for the SNP was 45%. Does this mean the SNP need a higher vote for themselves before they think they would win an independence referendum?

(27-09-2014 00:51 )stemmata Wrote:  

(26-09-2014 21:52 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  ^ How much money did you make from the bookies?

Me bet on a sure thing.........nah !!!

Not when I can lose good money on the horses.



S.

Makes you look a bit of a fuckwit then, doesn't it.