Scottish Independence (the sequel)

(22-09-2014 21:33 )Hamish McSporran Wrote:  

(22-09-2014 21:08 )Sm© Wrote:  The sad thing about the result is 71% of the young people voted "Yes"

But what happens when those people aren't young anymore, when they are 25 years older?

I'd bet that 71% of them wouldn't be voting Yes then.

We'll never know, they probably won't get another chance to vote on Independence again. I know I won't, i don't plan or expect to still be alive in 25 years.

(22-09-2014 21:08 )Sm© Wrote:  The sad thing about the result is 71% of the young people voted "Yes", these voters are the next generation of Scotland, they will outlive most of the "No" voters (65 and over, mostly masons and Rotary Club members who still celebrate 1690...) My demographic, 33-44 also had a majority of "Yes" voters.

What's the point of continually dissecting the result? It's one person, one vote, that's how democracy works.
"The over 55's ruined it for the younger generation" - maybe the over 55's are just older and wiser.
Maybe we should have a weighting system, how about the under 30's get 2 votes........ that would work
Let's not forget the women, they voted no by a bigger margin than the men. They were bound to get it wrong, though. That Emily Pankhurst has a lot to answer for

How do we know who voted for what anyway? Polls you say? Yeah, you're right, they're never wrong

The interest in the demographic split -- at least as far as I'm concerned, but I'll venture that this is what Smc was driving at too -- isn't about whose vote means or matters more. I agree: one person, one vote, add'em up and there's your result.

The issue is about what might happen if another referendum comes around again in 5, 10, 15 years time. It happens. Quebec had a referendum in 1980, with a decidedly 'no' majority, and another one in 1995, where the 'no' vote squeaked through with a less than 1% majority. And the nationalist party (their version of the SNP) is still hanging in there and promising to run another one if they ever get back into power.

Given the way the Scots voted, with an almost direct correlation between age and propensity to vote "no", you have to wonder what might happen if the vote is held again in ten years time.

That aberration in the 25-34 year-old bracket was telling though and consistent with Hamish's view that it is probably not "age" per se that matters, but life stage and economic circumstances.

16-24, you're young, full of optimism and confidence, with very little to lose -- you vote your heart.

25-34, you're married, with a kid or two and another one on the way, in middle management at best, and feeling a little vulnerable and exposed -- you vote your head.

35-44, you're confident in your position and senior enough to be the sacker, not the sacked. Maybe you vote your heart again.

All just speculation of course...

The point being that another referendum could easily come around again, so last week's demographic split does have some lingering if purely theoretical significance.

(23-09-2014 02:12 )Goodfella3041 Wrote:  16-24, you're young, full of optimism and confidence, with very little to lose -- you vote your heart.

25-34, you're married, with a kid or two and another one on the way, in middle management at best, and feeling a little vulnerable and exposed -- you vote your head.

35-44, you're confident in your position and senior enough to be the sacker, not the sacked. Maybe you vote your heart again.

You forgot to add -

Over 55, your judgement is flawed and your life is over anyway - your vote shouldn't count.

I'm not saying the demographic split doesn't have significance but it's academic until the next time. Alot of people (Salmond included) are using it to blame sections of society for the 'wrong' result. And I'll venture that's what Smc was driving at ("The sad thing about the result is......")

The sad thing about the result is....some people can't accept it. 'Yes' blaming 'no', young blaming old etc is only serves to create a toxic atmosphere which benefits no-one. We all need to move on now, for the time being at least.

Referendum is done and dusted. Looking back, the money men knew it was a done deal long ago. The power money will never allow power to be moved from London, their thinking is south east is the power and rest of the country is there to service them. We are all living on Londons handouts. If Boris gets leadership it will get worse. Dont matter who is in power, the money men own everyone.

http://www.channel4.com/news/snp-members...referendum

I saw Andy Murray in the Standard feeling the heat from his pre-referendum remarks. Apparently he is being violently trolled and the police are investigating.

I'm not the biggest Andy Murray fan (saw him at a minor tournament and he was a grumpy sod). But I do think he is getting an unfairly hard time.

As mentioned so many times before... He was entitled to his opinion and his one vote. He shouldn't be castigated for it.

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No he aint. He forgot where his bread is being buttered. The miserable fucker!! I am totally gutted at the result I was happy to let them move on and not be distracted with pointless debates about who really owns North Sea Oil while they provide free Uni education with English subsidies!!!

So the dust has now settled but the battle has just begun, I think it's worth pointing out that this latest Referendum is purely a set back.

The SNP are now the 3rd Largest Party in the UK, the General Election is next year and the Scottish Election is in 2016, don't bet on us not having another Independence Referendum.

For as long as the SNP remain the largest Party in Scotland the Independence question will always be on the table. We may be battered and bruised at the moment but we'll dust ourselves down and prepare for the next battle.

The Independence Rally's will continue until we get the right result. The polls will continue and if the Tories get a second term expect the Yes question to shoot up.

Freedom..............

(26-09-2014 19:29 )Scottishbloke Wrote:  The SNP are now the 3rd Largest Party in the UK,

But irrelevant to the Welsh, English and Northern Irish bits of the UK. It's like the NI elections being included in overall stats when the parties are all different to the rest of the UK. At least Labour, Lib Dems and Conservatives contest in Wales and Scotland.

Nicola Sturgeon to be the Joshua to Salmond's Moses, then?