Scottish Independence (the sequel)

(19-09-2014 19:22 )Scottishbloke Wrote:  Matt read my post again - You'll find I have already answered the question on tyranny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One exclamation mark would have sufficed and your explanation was poor.

My gut feeling is that in a sense the Scots and those in England who live further north of London share common frustrations and tensions.
The impression I get is that the further north you go in these isles the more substantial disconnect and disenfranchisement there is from the Westminister establishment and the city of London generally.
A suspicion that those in London take the view that anything north of Watford Gap is the frozen north in some different universe. A suspicion that those in London treat that city as the only place that matters due to a belief that London is where the action is economically, culturally and socially.
A view that says the Westminister politicians just don't get it, they don't understand the lives of those in run down areas of more northern towns and cities. An idea that Westminister politicians are far too busy climbing greasy poles to get the best jobs within and sometimes outside of their professions.
A contempt for polticians in Westminister for having too much centralised power, too many privileges that most 'normal' folk don't get and for abusing the expenses system.
A desire to see devolvement of power and influence back to local people and communities outside of London.
I can well imagine the populations of numerous cities saying 'What about us, what about what we need? What about our local cultural identity? What about our hopes, dreams and aspirations?'.
Some would point to a consistently poor turnout in local elections in England and ask the question 'How many people actually know the name of the elected local councillor in their area?'. Indeed some might ask the same question about constituency MPs.
Maybe the worry is that there is a widespread disenchantment with the model of national and local elections and power bases as they stand right now.
Even in most recent general elections the turnout figures hardly inspire much confidence in the idea that people are genuinely enthused by electing their representative in the House of Commons.
Ah yes that House of Commons where Prime Ministers Questions often turns into a party political point scoring jamboree with the behaviour of all sides not exactly inspiring much public confidence.
I ask myself Is it any wonder that it takes a question as fundamental as 'Should Scotland be an independent country?' to reinvigorate the democratic process and enthusiasm for politics. How depressing it is that something as fundamental as a breakaway from a union has to be considered as necessary to reignite democracy.

(19-09-2014 05:23 )Goodfella3041 Wrote:  Any word on the demographic split?

If younger people trended "YES" and older people "NO", then this could yet rumble on with another vote in 5-10 years. If it's the other way around, then I would think the union is safe for quite a while.

I don't know where the info came from, but Radio One reported that 71% of the 16 and 17 year olds voted "Yes"

Now that Salmond has announced he wont seek relection, all the politicians who have been slagging him of are suddenly full of respect for Salmonds political skills and dealings. Just goes to show how shitty the world of politics really is.

Just to pour some fuel onto the fire I have just discovered some shocking proof that the No vote could well have been rigged. If so its within the constitution that another Referendum has to be called under the rules of Democracy if evidence emerges that foul play has taken place.

My dream of Independence may yet receive a lifeline, make what you want out of this footage which has been reported happening all across the Scottish Nation last night

The explanation for the end part was that they were unsorted votes and it said no because thats where the no cards would go after being sorted.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/51275...84/photo/1

No - more like it's been covered up by the English media. Some rather unusual things I also noticed yesterday at the Polling Station.

On the Ballet Paper instead of a Pen being provided instead it was a blunt pencil. Easy to use a rubber and change the answer I think.....

No exit Polls were conducted whatsoever astonishingly we had a representative from the Yes camp and one from the No camp standing at the entrance door and not one of them even bothered to acknowledge any of the voters. Rather unusual I think when its the Country's future that is on the line here.................

(19-09-2014 20:33 )Scottishbloke Wrote:  instead of a Pen being provided instead it was a blunt pencil.

Less likely to be stolen - just ask Argos

For the love of god you lost, move on........