Scottish Independence (the sequel)

I guess that gives you English people more reason to hate Andy Murray

Salmond announces he will stand down as First Minster in November and a new leader of SNP will be elected and become First Minster

Wow salmond Resigning as First minister

So seems that Ed Milliband is the one that is stalling these new powers think cameron has played a blinder there by adding Wales and England to the mix and trying to get rid of the midlothain Question

Salmond resigning was on the cards. Was never a fan of his myself, but we both wanted independence. 45% of the vote doesnt leave Cameron and co much leaway as regards promises made before the vote. Certainly changed politics both sides of the border, but as usual, the money men win.

Was glad he did resign because he did lose although he can be credited with the increase in the share. but who really is there to take over cant stand sturgeon since she threatened to default any debt

and i would have loved to have seen a race between Salmond and gordon brown in 2016

(19-09-2014 06:42 )Name Change Wrote:  Firstly, Scotland is an amazing country. If you've never visited here, you should. It is the most creative and welcoming place I have ever lived.

I had a friend who visited Glasgow once, asked direction, and was punched to the floor when his English accent was heard; being an attack on an English man of course this was fine, no immigrant, visually ethnic or gay was hurt.

As far as I'm aware around 50 million people out of the 60 live and work in England, including vast amounts of Scots, giving it a very strong economy, there is may be a reason so many Scots travel south. The people who vote for independence are probably the same type who have a romantic image of Scotland as the ones like Rod Stewart or Sean Connery who haven't lived there for years and make their money any where else but Scotland. Probably the same type who still hold a grudge against England because they got blamed for wars between high land and low land Scots.

Beautiful Country etc but obviously not enough for a lot to stay there.

Personally, off you pop as far as I'm concerned, we managed quite well before 1603.

Think you mean 1707.

(19-09-2014 17:36 )HannahsPet Wrote:  Was glad he did resign because he did lose although he can be credited with the increase in the share. but who really is there to take over cant stand sturgeon since she threatened to default any debt

and i would have loved to have seen a race between Salmond and gordon brown in 2016

Is this the same Gordon Brown, failed Prime Minister, and chancellor, who nearly bankrupted the British economy. Brown and Darling will now get there titles, their smiles say it all. History will judge them, many despise them, on both sides of the border.

The main political parties panicked over one rogue poll after their lacklustre campaigning and promised the lot to Scotland before the next general election - huge tactical error.

If they don't deliver then the yes supporters will move into the majority and there will be a push for a new referendum.

The biggest loser here is the Labour Party. Already being haplessly led by Ed Miliband, Gordon Brown has put him into an impossible position that he hasn't got the wit or wisdom to get out of. The Tories will push for a rebalancing of the constitution meaning at the very least that Scottish MPs at Westminster will be barred from voting on legislation that doesn't affect Scotland. That could see a majority Labour Government being unable to pass its domestic agenda in England.

That's assuming Labour gets a majority at the next general election. Despite the millstone of being led by Miliband Labour might have got a majority with UKIP helping split the Tory vote or by forming a coalition with what is left of the Liberal Democrats after their inevitable drubbing at the coming election. However, if, in trying to protect the voting rights of Scottish MPs at Westminster Labour and disgruntled Tory backbenchers (frustrated at England's inferior position compared to Scotland within the Union) delay Devo Max so that it cannot come into force before the next general election then Labour will reap a huge backlash in Scotland from which they will never recover. Many Scottish voters will never forgive them or return to them (just ask the Tories after the poll tax - believe it or not they used to be a major force in Scottish politics not that long ago). The Yes campaigns best results were actually in traditional Labour strongholds where the drift from Labour to SNP was significant. This will become a stampede if Labour is in anyway responsible for not delivering Devo Max in the timetable pledged.

The Union may have been preserved for the short term but its cohesion and durability is far from certain. This whole campaign and result is going to have a seismic impact on British politics.

In a sensible world all the parties would take a deep breath, step back and agree to set-up a constitutional convention to come up with a sensible federal solution to all of the current imbalances within our disjointed and lopsided constitution. Scotland clearly voted to remain within the United Kingdom but with full home rule for domestic matters. However, the politicians we have at the moment are petty minded party men and women and not the statesmen and women that the current situation desperately needs them to be for the greater good.

This morning I was left feeling completely dejected. I've voted SNP all of my life and feel that the ones who voted for them in the last General Election yet voted No have let the Scottish people down badly.

I seen Tommy Sheridan's heartfelt go at the BBC and the dirty tactics played by the better together campaign. He was spot on when he said I don't know what they are celebrating for, this morning for me it was a day of National Disgrace.

Well done to Glasgow and Dundee for showing the balls to vote Yes, what a shame their courage wasn't reflected elsewhere in the Country.

Seeing Scottish people punching the air in delight with the No outcome left me with a feeling of utter disgust. Worse was to follow when a few of them unfurled the Union Jack which the BBC were all too happy to capture.

Back in May when I seen my Dundee United team lose the Scottish Cup Final it left me extremely down but it wasn't a patch on the feelings I have now.

A lot of voters completely bottled it yesterday, well done to the 45% who did believe. With regards to Alex Salmond resigning it's just another bitter pill to swallow for me.

My lifelong dream of Independence is now in ruins. Yesterday we blew what would have been a wonderful achievement to free us from the tyranny that currently exists at Westminster.