m100 Wrote:Absolutely, plus look at the chat and date/gay chat and date which are on channels 100+ they are only a couple of button presses away from 301/302 which are used for kids tv extras.
But you wouldn't normally access 301/302 via the epg so it doesn't really matter where they are.
MrGrumpyPants Wrote:only 3 girls i know are definately on are camilla amanda and lori from daytime hopeing they are on together cos that would be cool
Dont expect tits out from Lori. She never got them out the 3 times she was on PartyGirls.
I don’t quite know where to put this post because it’s a really a cross-channel thing. (Ye gods, I make it sound like a ruddy ferryboat.) Moderators please feel free to move it wherever you see fit, as I’m sure you will anyway.
Here’s some food for thought:
In the opening post in Candy’s thread, which I’ve only just discovered, in the Partyland section she says that it’s Freeview who are setting different rules. Now why the heck couldn’t the Cellcast members on here tell us that when we’ve been screaming to be told? The only reply I got from one of them (in a PM) actually claimed that all the channels were operating under the same rules, which we all know isn’t true.
However, this puts a whole new light on everything. We could, in theory, have an ally in Ofcom rather than an adversary. Freeview was set up specifically to provide access to material which people without satellite or cable facilities are otherwise unable to receive. They are supposed to be merely a medium for distributing programming material which is produced elsewhere. If they are interfering with the content of that product, or requiring others to do so, before they relay it, then I believe it can be claimed that they are in dereliction of the duty they were set up to perform and are breaching the human rights of the people who are being denied access to material which is freely available to others.
Ofcom is the body with the responsibility for setting broadcasting standards, not Freeview. I feel sure that Ofcom therefore have the power to order Freeview to accept programming for onward transmission unchanged provided that it conforms to Ofcom rules. I’m sure this must be true although if it is I can’t understand why Cellcast haven’t gone down that route. Maybe they’re afraid that Freeview have the dosh to hire hotshot lawyers who they can't win against.
Very interesting, vila. I like your way of thinking. But surely all cellcast would need to do is argue that they are showing exactly the same content on Sky and Freeview at exactly the same time?
vila Wrote:They are supposed to be merely a medium for distributing programming material which is produced elsewhere.
They are doing it, not just 'distributing' but they're also making it 'live and interactive'.
Things that happen on Sky at times when Freeview isn't brodcasting them is a hard one to cover - as Sky has so much more material, Freeview can't possibly hope to include it all.
(Also, I'm not doubting you, but I find that quote intriguing - is that a mission statement for Freeview or something? I've never come across it before...I always saw Freeview primarily as an expansion of the terrestrial channels and their 'relatives' eg. bbc3, with lots of interesting 'add-ons').
I still think its all up to the shows producers. If you remember, the PartyGirls "rule change" (after which they started getting the tits out) came immediately after they got a new producer for the show.
I agree - I believe the producers have a massive influence; it seems things can change from night to night, and I suspect that's often to do with who's in charge.
However, I thought that PG 'rule change' was mostly as a result of something to do with the BBC?
EDIT: Not sure whether it's 'proof', but
here we go.
TheWatcher Wrote:I still think its all up to the shows producers. If you remember, the PartyGirls "rule change" (after which they started getting the tits out) came immediately after they got a new producer for the show.
Have you had a browse through the ofcom Broadcast Bulletins? It really brings home the kinds of things that can attract ofcom's displeasure. For example here
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv/obb/prog_cb/obb118/
LiveXXXBabes are criticised because "the presenters were wearing thongs and while they thrust their bottoms towards the camera there were a few, brief occasions when their anal areas were shown in intrusive detail. The location of the channel in the ‘adult’ section of the EPG and late transmission were not sufficient to justify these aspects of the content"
Bumhole flash, in other words. And that's on Sky, *in the adult section*. The producers of the Freeview shows must be under even more pressure to "keep it clean".
Going back a bit can anyone let me know how you manage to find out which girls are on before the show starts? Is it very difficult or do you look at the girls blog and guess? I'd just like to know. Thanks very much.
Deb x Wrote:But surely all cellcast would need to do is argue that they are showing exactly the same content on Sky and Freeview at exactly the same time?
You might think so. The problem is that lawyers are very clever at producing bizarre interpretations of documents. The BBC was one of the original partners in the scheme and it’s in the nature of legislation in Britain to simply adapt or amend or even take in the entirety of existing documents. So, for the sake of argument, if one of those documents just happened to contain some long-redundant power of censorship granted to the BBC, which through oversight was never rescinded, clever lawyers might be able to produce an argument that it was still legally enforceable.
Deb x Wrote:Things that happen on Sky at times when Freeview isn't brodcasting them is a hard one to cover - as Sky has so much more material, Freeview can't possibly hope to include it all.
I wasn’t suggesting that they have a duty to relay all such material, only that what they do handle should be relayed in its original form.
Deb x Wrote:(Also, I'm not doubting you, but I find that quote intriguing - is that a mission statement for Freeview or something? I've never come across it before...I always saw Freeview primarily as an expansion of the terrestrial channels and their 'relatives' eg. bbc3, with lots of interesting 'add-ons').
I have to confess that my memory of this is a bit hazy but I do know it was never intended as an expansion but merely a means to broadcast existing channels in digital rather than analogue form. I seem to remember that when OnDigital (or ITV Digital as it became) folded the Government of the day had no intention of providing any digital broadcasting other than satellite and cable but later relented and said that a basic terrestrial facility would be provided to give access to a limited number of channels. The BBC and Sky were the two main partners engaged to provide the technical expertise (and no doubt the funding). As you say, it’s morphed into something a little more complex but the bottom line is that it isn’t a regulatory body but is itself subject to regulation by Ofcom.
Deb x Wrote:I agree - I believe the producers have a massive influence; it seems things can change from night to night, and I suspect that's often to do with who's in charge.
However, I thought that PG 'rule change' was mostly as a result of something to do with the BBC?
EDIT: Not sure whether it's 'proof', but here we go.
I think there is some substance in the idea that who’s in charge might be the significant element. Rather than putting forth their own justification for the rules they might find it more convenient to blame a higher authority. I have great doubt about the BBC connection. (Unless my hypothetical example above is spookily close to the truth!) The reason for the creation of Ofcom was to provide a single regulatory body for the industry, so it was hardly likely that any of that power would have been given to any other organisation. One of the bodies which was abolished, and its powers and duties taken over by Ofcom, was the Broadcasting Standards Commission, which I believe was the body that regulated the BBC.
Jonnieboy Wrote:Bumhole flash, in other words. And that's on Sky, *in the adult section*. The producers of the Freeview shows must be under even more pressure to "keep it clean".
Why?
Big Boobies Wrote:Going back a bit can anyone let me know how you manage to find out which girls are on before the show starts? Is it very difficult or do you look at the girls blog and guess? I'd just like to know. Thanks very much.
You can log into TVAlways and get a rough idea, but 'new' daytime girls usually don't arrive until Freeview starts.
TheWatcher Wrote:MrGrumpyPants Wrote:only 3 girls i know are definately on are camilla amanda and lori from daytime hopeing they are on together cos that would be cool
Dont expect tits out from Lori. She never got them out the 3 times she was on PartyGirls.
lori's been saying since the announcement that she won't, or at least not at first. she said it to me on the phone when it was rumoured and this is a quote from her blog yesterday - "I am not ruling out anything on the show.. just going to do whatever feels comfortable!! I am going to do a bit of shoppig tomorrow and see if i can pick up a few new bits for the show. I have 5 shows to keep you boys tempted with though.. so not going to give you everything on the first night..". so be prepared for more bitching from the boob people......