Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(01-02-2020 01:42 )GMach1 Wrote:  Not true you can't become one directly after the other-type 1 diabetes you are born with and it can surface in early to later life-type II is to do with poor diet and unealthy lifestyle and is more frequently diagnosed-I had that and I managed to somehow reverse it - took me six years mind you, and I assure you I didn't get type 1 after that.

Type 1 diabetes is an auto immune disease, unavoidable and like GM said a person is born with it, just genetics unfortunately. Type 2 is due to lifestyle, very avoidable and with the right lifestyle changes can be managed and in some cases some of the symptoms can be reversed.

As for Garnye's point about people using up health services due to their avoidable unhealthy lifestyles, bad diets, drinking, smoking, eating excessively etc. I would completely agree with him, but on the rare occasions when a government attempts to bring in positive legislation and regulations to attempt to remedy these they are accused of over reaching/nanny state/infringing personal liberties and personal choice etc.

The classic ones are sugar tax and minimum pricing of alcohol. Not saying these would necessarily work (probably a marginal benefit) but people against these ideas always trot out the "oh no how will all those poor, less well off people cope, it will cost them too much". Very patronising.

At last,what a great day

Well folks. Now that we are out....it's up to anyone outside our seas to rob us blind and dictate whatever they want us to pay.

I'm all up for getting out, but the reality is far unsafer than we were before.
The spin doctors create an incredible illusion that it's a new dawn...blah blah. Before we know it there will be another vote to return!!!
Our politicians just play games with tax payers money and don't particularly give two fucks what happens to our nation.
Tony Blair gives thieves,rapists and terrorists more rights than the victims and we continue to vote for a collection of cunts that are neither fit to run the country or stand for election.
The main problem is MPs are already wealthy and just want a bite of the cherry (jobs for the boys).
Anyone can grab a seat in parliament and shout " here here ".
Unfortunately that doesn't change the day to day issues that are ruining the country.
As far as any sane person can see..this place is going down the toilet.

(01-02-2020 01:28 )southsidestu Wrote:  

(31-01-2020 23:52 )garnye Wrote:  

(31-01-2020 22:45 )southsidestu Wrote:  when the NHS still is being underfunded despite the pledge of £350 million a week

this still irritates me, irritating because at the time it was "pledged" it was pledged by people who were in no position to make that decision. it wasn't a promise, it was a comparison of what was being spent in the eu compared to what theoretically could have been done with it if the uk left the eu. it should have been completely ignored, and was ignored by the smarter folk. the dumb folks are the ones that voted based on that pledge. nothing of the sort was ever going to happen, those who pledged it knew that and preyed on the stupidity of the public to believe it was going to happen. which leads me on to another point which might, and hopefully will, annoy some people - i have a few people in my family who work for the nhs, 2 pharmacists and a GP, and they believe the same as i do that whilst funding the nhs could be better, it isn't actually the problem, it's a symptom of the problem, 2 problems infact. one is overpopulation, and the other which is the bigger issue, is that the majority of people relying on the nhs are people who have done it to themselves through poor decisions. older people and to some extent immigrants are still blamed for problems in the nhs which is ridiculous. the biggest problem is people eating and smoking and drinking and drugging themselves into GP's and A&E and hospitals. If (able bodied) people actually took responsibilty and ate healthily and got some physical activity then the nhs, for the most part, would be left for people that actually need it. this would create a knock on effect of better conditions, more space, more money for research and many other things. i'm tired of the nhs being used as a political pawn when the nhs is actually manageable as it is, at least for now until the population increases beyond a certain point

Our healthcare system would definitely benefit from moving from a treatment based model to a model of prevention. As stated in an earlier post diabetes will, in the coming decades, account for nearly a fifth of the NHS budget, most cases of diabetes are type 2 which tend to (I don't know if exclusive or not) come from lifestyle. As for those who are type 1 many (again I don't know an exact number) become type 1 after originally being type 2.

Treatment models for the NHS are not really Brexit related so I will stop there

The two surely go hand - in - hand!! Of course 'prevention' has as much to do with self discipline of the individual, than anything else. I am moving - given the strain on the NHS (and it's sensational staff) - towards accepting a certain level of 'refusal of treatment' in strictly limited circumstances where - despite advice and help from the NHS - people refuse to change their lifestyles to help themselves!! I may be unpopular, but I would reduce IVF cycles to one as well!!

Despite the best intentions, and preventative treatments, the fact remains - obviously - that no measures taken, will stop the reality of illness!

(01-02-2020 02:28 )littlebig Wrote:  At last,what a great day

I hope you are able to say that once we are well down the track! I seriously doubt it!!

^^ The problem is the amount of hidden sugar in stuff im a type 2 diabetic caused by bad diet but the amount of crap that is in normal everyday foods is shocking and you think it will get worse if Boris will sell us out to big american corps and Pharma they have already said that we will have to pay more for Medications under a US trade deal

(01-02-2020 12:28 )HannahsPet Wrote:  ^^ The problem is the amount of hidden sugar in stuff im a type 2 diabetic caused by bad diet but the amount of crap that is in normal everyday foods is shocking and you think it will get worse if Boris will sell us out to big american corps and Pharma they have already said that we will have to pay more for Medications under a US trade deal

If it means no deal with the USA, then standing firm on food standards (the EU did/does) and health services is worth the price!! Compromising on either is most definitely not worth the cost!!

One final thing with type 2 you MUST keep your feet clean and get regular checks of the pulse and the touch, in other words if you got a scratch or stepped on something and didn't know about it things could escalate and that is why people end up amputating limbs. I still need checks even though I reversed it but my mother who also had it due to weight not diet.

I just looked it up and it turns out that people who have type 2 diabetes may get a separate diagnosis of type 1 at a later date so this is where the confusion has come. Mea culpa