Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

Once we leave will the Brexiteers be called Remainers and the Remainers be called the Rejoiners.

Mind boggling

We're not leaving Europe yet there appear to be some people that have mixed this up with leaving the EU-are they a) incredibly stupid and don't bother to read newspapers or articles online or b) misunderstood the last three years? I see that Nigel Farage thinks of himself as the pantomime villain - well we all know the villain gets his comeuppance in that in the end so watch out Nigel, your time is coming and it's not behind you.

It was strange hearing people that rang up the Jeremy Vine show(I only listen because my mother listens to him) and with one side remain, the other leave it was a recipe for a verbal punch up-two women argued, then two men-each time one was older and one was younger. The young appear to hold the old responsible for them being stopped travelling free around Europe. It's very sad and has been so divisive, even my own parents have argued about the pros and cons of it.

Nicola Sturgeon is still banging on about independence along with her tame rottweiller, Ian Blackford - what part of ONCE-in-a-lifetime do they not get? It's bollocks and the sooner she realises she is not going to change Johnson's mind the better for Scotland and the whole country. Personally I think we've made a BIG mistake and we will be clobbered by the EU on various things and without a veto things could get messy - they will still love us(as they've said in the past) but we still come under their auspices AND will still have to pay that divorce bill. I won't be celebrating tonight - BREXIT, what a waste of time.! Here's a prediction for you, I reckon in a few years time there will be a call to go back...discuss

Wonder how many people who voted leave will be kicking off from tomorrow when the penny drops & they realise brexit isn’t done tonight despite Boris keeping on going “Get Brexit Done By Jan 31st”

Brexit won’t be done tonight as the U.K. simply goes into the next phase of Brexit as the Transition Phase starts & the trade deal negotiations begin which have to be completed by October so the deal can be ratified by the end of the transition period in December.

But probably will take years to do all the various trade deals. Already can’t wait for the likes of Farage & Francois to kick off

This is purely anecdotal but I saw a tweet from a journalist in December not long after the election where she went to get her hair done and when she told the hairdresser that she would be spending all of 2020 reporting on Brexit the response was "what do you mean?"

I just wonder what is going to happen with all the emotion and anti-EU resentment when those that voted leave realise that nothing is changing, not just this year but in the years after. When the high street still has Eastern European grocery's, when the NHS still is being underfunded despite the pledge of £350 million a week, when there is no extra investment in their regions because most of what the Tories are promising is less than they cut and if projects like HS2 & other rail upgrades do end up being a success and bring greater economic prosperity to the midlands and North it won't be for many years. How is that anger going to be channelled? Will Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party morph into a new party that looks to fill the void of those working class whites that left the Labour Party (actually since Blair & not just Corbyn 2019) angry at The EU, angry at identity politics and angry at the government for not delivering what they voted for?

As for Labour and The Lib Dems, it's too early to become the parties of rejoin, they need to give Brexit time to be it's inevitable failure. What they do need to do (at least I believe) is to make sure they are seen as far away from this disaster of a Tory Brexit, set out an alternate vision which is clear (hint Labour) and aligns The UK closely with The EU, EFTA/EEA/Norway+ etc that will satisfy their members & voters and look like the sensible alternative to the Tory remainers who couldn't vote LD in 2019 because it would likely mean PM Corbyn. Back proportional representation, sell it as the only true way to make your voice heard and form a electoral pact together to give them a fighting chance in 2024 because Boris' majority is so great they are not even going to get a coalition under FPTP at the next election

I almost feel sorry for Anne Widdicombe, she says this is one of the happiest days of her life.

That doesn't say much for the rest of her life does it.

(31-01-2020 22:45 )southsidestu Wrote:  when the NHS still is being underfunded despite the pledge of £350 million a week

this still irritates me, irritating because at the time it was "pledged" it was pledged by people who were in no position to make that decision. it wasn't a promise, it was a comparison of what was being spent in the eu compared to what theoretically could have been done with it if the uk left the eu. it should have been completely ignored, and was ignored by the smarter folk. the dumb folks are the ones that voted based on that pledge. nothing of the sort was ever going to happen, those who pledged it knew that and preyed on the stupidity of the public to believe it was going to happen. which leads me on to another point which might, and hopefully will, annoy some people - i have a few people in my family who work for the nhs, 2 pharmacists and a GP, and they believe the same as i do that whilst funding the nhs could be better, it isn't actually the problem, it's a symptom of the problem, 2 problems infact. one is overpopulation, and the other which is the bigger issue, is that the majority of people relying on the nhs are people who have done it to themselves through poor decisions. older people and to some extent immigrants are still blamed for problems in the nhs which is ridiculous. the biggest problem is people eating and smoking and drinking and drugging themselves into GP's and A&E and hospitals. If (able bodied) people actually took responsibilty and ate healthily and got some physical activity then the nhs, for the most part, would be left for people that actually need it. this would create a knock on effect of better conditions, more space, more money for research and many other things. i'm tired of the nhs being used as a political pawn when the nhs is actually manageable as it is, at least for now until the population increases beyond a certain point

To paraphrase David Dimbleby "We're OUT" again. I think we'll regret it and many people believe we will in a few years apply to rejoin-whether they are total optimists I don't know, but I am not sure that will happen and any outside deal with the USA will take years not months. Goodbye EU...it was fun while it lasted.

The DUP(ED) are surprisingly quiet!! No street parties to celebrate the 'liberation' for the UK from the 'iron fist' of the EU!! Line down the irish sea and inevitable checks might have something to do with that! Plus the increasing talk/analysis around the possibility/likelihood of a border poll, as a direct result of the break that Brexit represents!! Come back T May and bring your deal back with you!!…….absolute clowns in the DUP. Had everything, and ended up with nothing!

(31-01-2020 23:52 )garnye Wrote:  

(31-01-2020 22:45 )southsidestu Wrote:  when the NHS still is being underfunded despite the pledge of £350 million a week

this still irritates me, irritating because at the time it was "pledged" it was pledged by people who were in no position to make that decision. it wasn't a promise, it was a comparison of what was being spent in the eu compared to what theoretically could have been done with it if the uk left the eu. it should have been completely ignored, and was ignored by the smarter folk. the dumb folks are the ones that voted based on that pledge. nothing of the sort was ever going to happen, those who pledged it knew that and preyed on the stupidity of the public to believe it was going to happen. which leads me on to another point which might, and hopefully will, annoy some people - i have a few people in my family who work for the nhs, 2 pharmacists and a GP, and they believe the same as i do that whilst funding the nhs could be better, it isn't actually the problem, it's a symptom of the problem, 2 problems infact. one is overpopulation, and the other which is the bigger issue, is that the majority of people relying on the nhs are people who have done it to themselves through poor decisions. older people and to some extent immigrants are still blamed for problems in the nhs which is ridiculous. the biggest problem is people eating and smoking and drinking and drugging themselves into GP's and A&E and hospitals. If (able bodied) people actually took responsibilty and ate healthily and got some physical activity then the nhs, for the most part, would be left for people that actually need it. this would create a knock on effect of better conditions, more space, more money for research and many other things. i'm tired of the nhs being used as a political pawn when the nhs is actually manageable as it is, at least for now until the population increases beyond a certain point

Our healthcare system would definitely benefit from moving from a treatment based model to a model of prevention. As stated in an earlier post diabetes will, in the coming decades, account for nearly a fifth of the NHS budget, most cases of diabetes are type 2 which tend to (I don't know if exclusive or not) come from lifestyle. As for those who are type 1 many (again I don't know an exact number) become type 1 after originally being type 2.

Treatment models for the NHS are not really Brexit related so I will stop there

Not true you can't become one directly after the other-type 1 diabetes you are born with and it can surface in early to later life-type II is to do with poor diet and unealthy lifestyle and is more frequently diagnosed-I had that and I managed to somehow reverse it - took me six years mind you, and I assure you I didn't get type 1 after that.