The Marraiage (Same Sex Couples) Bill - Do You Support It - Yes/No

(05-02-2013 23:02 )thinwhiteduke Wrote:  Surely marriage is an archaic religious belief ?

Two thirds of the worlds population have some religiosity and the majority have some form of religious ceremonies when getting married (even non religious poeple like the church wedding), so to call it archaic is a little silly.

But it does raise an interesting question, I believe civil marriages are legal so people must be talking about religious ceremony, so you have to ask your self, unless these people are actually religious why would they want to get married in a church?

I can understand the religious gay poeple (yes, there are gay spiritual/Christains contrary to popular propaganda) who want to marry in a church but would the non religious people want to get married in a church just to put two fingers up to the establishment and the church? That would be totally the wrong reason to want a religios ceremony and the only problem I'd have with it. But i have the same problem with straight non religious poeple having a religious ceremony, it just seems odd.

mellover, I was responding to a post which talked about archaic religious beliefs, how is that a little silly ?

(05-02-2013 23:52 )thinwhiteduke Wrote:  mellover, I was responding to a post which talked about archaic religious beliefs, how is that a little silly ?

I didn't read the other post but your's seem to reiterate the sentiment. I'm half watching paranormal activity 4 so i'm not fully concentrating!

However, religious belief is not archiac it's very much present, it is not something of the past. Arcaic is something of the past and out dated, clearly religion and religious ceremonies are not. Religion not being very fashionable and trendy amonsgt young people in this country now is very different to archaic.

So the questions are - are straight people REALLY interested and overly concered about gay people being allowed a religious ceremony? or gay people overly interested in having a religious ceremony? or are gay couples wanting to stick two fingers up at the church? and are people using the gay issue as an excuse to beat religion? some of the comments in this thread suggest the latter.

I'm in my mid 40's now and my sister is gay (who went to church. scripture class and was in the church choir). I remember when she was first having her girlfriends in the very early 80's, homosexuality was pretty much universally derided and condemed, gay men in particular had real reason to worry about a good beating or even fear for their lives. This is only in the young times of your parents. It is pretty much only in the past 5 - 10 years that gay, camp and all things homosexual have become FASHIONABLE and trendy, (especially nausiating are heterosexual females who have to have a 'gay best friend' (kate price et al) . At the same time it has become very UNFASHIONABLE to be religious and atheism is the new trendy black. Militant atheist especially use the gay issue a lot, they are not interested in gay people themselves but merely seek a beating stick for religion, but none religious, particulary anti religion people also use the gay issue in the same way.

In short, what is the REAL motives for gay (none religious type) people wanting to have a religious ceremony? or the motives of those suddenly oh so careing straight people wanting them to have one?

either way, the fact they want one and it's being discussed means it's not archaic.

Well, I thank whoever your god is that you weren't concentrating...i've got to be up in 5 hours

I quite liked paranormal activity 4