Bluebird TV - Technical Chat & Info : Regulations, Encryption, Platform

(23-05-2010 01:29 )BLUEBIRD OFFICIAL Wrote:  

(22-05-2010 10:27 )SCIROCCO Wrote:  Cop out.

SNIP

The law is the law. If You want it changed, then please tell us what You are doing to make that happen. Rather than shoving the responsibility onto anyone else (be it it us or any other Babechannel producer).

So, you expect a member of the public, with, presumably, limited financial resources compared to a broadcaster, let alone one as supposedly large as Bluebird, to do YOUR dirty work for you?
You, it would seem from your comments, like all other broadcasters, are ultimately complicit in the censorship suffered in the UK because you just sit back and meekly accept Ofcon censorship, instead of trying to do something about it. Why?

I take it that this means that your forthcoming channels will be just as tame as all of the existing ‘adult entertainment’ output in the UK, then?
More of the same, great!

You mentioned, somewhere, ‘European’ channels – which satellite(s) will these be broadcast on? Will they be FTA, or encrypted? Will they be any less censored than UK channels?

(25-05-2010 01:10 )BLUEBIRD OFFICIAL Wrote:  

(24-05-2010 18:20 )mrmann Wrote:  Can you describe to me again what R18 is?

What will you be able to show us? Full frontal? I hope so.

If not full frontal, then I can't see the point.

R18 is full penetrative sex: girl on girl; boy with girl.

R18 is partial hardcore, as censored by the BBFC.

OK, so anything but hardcore porn will be allowed? That sounds pretty good to me, since we will at least get uncensored women for once, instead of having them cover up. I just hope they can hire more of the attractive women as well.

Quote:So, you expect a member of the public, with, presumably, limited financial resources compared to a broadcaster, let alone one as supposedly large as Bluebird, to do YOUR dirty work for you?
You, it would seem from your comments, like all other broadcasters, are ultimately complicit in the censorship suffered in the UK because you just sit back and meekly accept Ofcon censorship, instead of trying to do something about it. Why?

I take it that this means that your forthcoming channels will be just as tame as all of the existing ‘adult entertainment’ output in the UK, then?
More of the same, great!

You mentioned, somewhere, ‘European’ channels – which satellite(s) will these be broadcast on? Will they be FTA, or encrypted? Will they be any less censored than UK channels?

Euro channels will be encrypted and full hardcore [same as you would get in a Bluebird DVD or at Bluebirdfilms.com].

The law is what it is. We can go to court a million times: and lose - because the law is the law is the law.

We all wish it were not the law. It is the law. The Courts do not in this country overturn statutes. The prohibition on R18 is the law, because Ofcom was delegated by Parliament the statutory legal power to censor what appears on TV in this country.

Laws get changed by electing politicians to change the law. You are 1 individual - you have a vote. We are a company. We have no right to vote.

(25-05-2010 17:39 )BLUEBIRD OFFICIAL Wrote:  

Quote:So, you expect a member of the public, with, presumably, limited financial resources compared to a broadcaster, let alone one as supposedly large as Bluebird, to do YOUR dirty work for you?
You, it would seem from your comments, like all other broadcasters, are ultimately complicit in the censorship suffered in the UK because you just sit back and meekly accept Ofcon censorship, instead of trying to do something about it. Why?

I take it that this means that your forthcoming channels will be just as tame as all of the existing ‘adult entertainment’ output in the UK, then?
More of the same, great!

You mentioned, somewhere, ‘European’ channels – which satellite(s) will these be broadcast on? Will they be FTA, or encrypted? Will they be any less censored than UK channels?

Euro channels will be encrypted and full hardcore [same as you would get in a Bluebird DVD or at Bluebirdfilms.com].

The law is what it is. We can go to court a million times: and lose - because the law is the law is the law.

We all wish it were not the law. It is the law. The Courts do not in this country overturn statutes. The prohibition on R18 is the law, because Ofcom was delegated by Parliament the statutory legal power to censor what appears on TV in this country.

Laws get changed by electing politicians to change the law. You are 1 individual - you have a vote. We are a company. We have no right to vote.

I think there's some confusion here. Nobody is asking you to implement R18 on the FTA channels (ok, a few are but ignore them for the moment because that is illegal and would involve changing UK law, as you state).

What most people want is simply for FTA channels to have the right to show explicit nudity, should they and the girls wish.

There is no statute which forbids this, just muddled dictats from Ofcom which are contradictory, poorly argued and which have no basis in law, instead flying in the face of the freedoms inherent in European law.

This is what causes the annoyance on this forum - companies such as yourselves cringing under Ofcom's pronouncements when they don't need to. Don't pretend it's the law because it's not, you just want an easy life.

(26-05-2010 00:38 )Digital Dave Wrote:  I think there's some confusion here. Nobody is asking you to implement R18 on the FTA channels (ok, a few are but ignore them for the moment because that is illegal and would involve changing UK law, as you state).

What most people want is simply for FTA channels to have the right to show explicit nudity, should they and the girls wish.

There is no statute which forbids this, just muddled dictats from Ofcom which are contradictory, poorly argued and which have no basis in law, instead flying in the face of the freedoms inherent in European law.

This is what causes the annoyance on this forum - companies such as yourselves cringing under Ofcom's pronouncements when they don't need to. Don't pretend it's the law because it's not, you just want an easy life.

Nudity on was not the question being put to which we were responding: R18 was. Please be fair.

As to nudity, that is certainly permissable under encryption. That permission is exactly what allows Ofcom to prohibit nudity on free to air. The distinction between pin protected content and free to air content is explicitly stated in the relevant European law, which has direct effect in the UK. So, contrary to what you assert, that prohibition is the law, not merely discretionary policy.

In our earlier posts, we have given the html links to the relevant European and UK law, so you can check this out for yourself.

(26-05-2010 01:05 )BLUEBIRD OFFICIAL Wrote:  

(26-05-2010 00:38 )Digital Dave Wrote:  I think there's some confusion here. Nobody is asking you to implement R18 on the FTA channels (ok, a few are but ignore them for the moment because that is illegal and would involve changing UK law, as you state).

What most people want is simply for FTA channels to have the right to show explicit nudity, should they and the girls wish.

There is no statute which forbids this, just muddled dictats from Ofcom which are contradictory, poorly argued and which have no basis in law, instead flying in the face of the freedoms inherent in European law.

This is what causes the annoyance on this forum - companies such as yourselves cringing under Ofcom's pronouncements when they don't need to. Don't pretend it's the law because it's not, you just want an easy life.

Nudity on was not the question being put to which we were responding: R18 was. Please be fair.

As to nudity, that is certainly permissable under encryption. That permission is exactly what allows Ofcom to prohibit nudity on free to air. The distinction between pin protected content and free to air content is explicitly stated in the relevant European law, which has direct effect in the UK. So, contrary to what you assert, that prohibition is the law, not merely discretionary policy.

In our earlier posts, we have given the html links to the relevant European and UK law, so you can check this out for yourself.

The fact that permission is given to show nudity under encription doesnt mean it is forbidden for FTA .If it is show us exactly where that is written.
If it is please explain how Bravo can show Spartacus last nght with full furry frontals

It seems to me if BLUEBIRD are seriously trying to give the viewers what they want to see on free to air show (full frontal nudity) then all they have to do is pin protect all their channels , after all ofcom do not state that company's have to charge people to see nude girls , they only ask the channels to pin protect their shows before they do . At least BLUEBIRD could try this out on one of their live phone in shows , they could show full frontal nudity but not to explicit , they could then state the fact that if you want to see real close up open leg shots that you then have to subscribe to the "HARDBLUE" channel . Even Cellcast allowed BSXtream to be broadcast free when it first launched , all you had to do was obtain your free pin number via mobile phone .

(26-05-2010 15:42 )mr mystery Wrote:  It seems to me if BLUEBIRD are seriously trying to give the viewers what they want to see on free to air show (full frontal nudity) then all they have to do is pin protect all their channels , after all ofcom do not state that company's have to charge people to see nude girls , they only ask the channels to pin protect their shows before they do . At least BLUEBIRD could try this out on one of their live phone in shows , they could show full frontal nudity but not to explicit , they could then state the fact that if you want to see real close up open leg shots that you then have to subscribe to the "HARDBLUE" channel . Even Cellcast allowed BSXtream to be broadcast free when it first launched , all you had to do was obtain your free pin number via mobile phone .

We agree

(27-05-2010 00:11 )BLUEBIRD OFFICIAL Wrote:  

(26-05-2010 15:42 )mr mystery Wrote:  It seems to me if BLUEBIRD are seriously trying to give the viewers what they want to see on free to air show (full frontal nudity) then all they have to do is pin protect all their channels , after all ofcom do not state that company's have to charge people to see nude girls , they only ask the channels to pin protect their shows before they do . At least BLUEBIRD could try this out on one of their live phone in shows , they could show full frontal nudity but not to explicit , they could then state the fact that if you want to see real close up open leg shots that you then have to subscribe to the "HARDBLUE" channel . Even Cellcast allowed BSXtream to be broadcast free when it first launched , all you had to do was obtain your free pin number via mobile phone .

We agree

Does this mean so that we can expect to see non-explicit full-frontal nudity on the FTA Bluebird channels when they do launch. To be honest, I'm not really interested in full-on hardcore. If I can see a fully naked presenter on a babechannel without anything obstructing the genitals, then I'm in babechannel heaven. And if her legs happen to slip open, well, then, I'm...oops, cleanup on aisle 1 lol