Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

You mean this Rammy? : -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

Even if he did this I don't think Johnson would win any vote in Parliament on whatever deal was struck before 31st Oct.

An unelected Prime Minister to shut down parliament. All this to save the CONservative Party. What next from Johnson? martial law ????

This is such a clusterfuckery it's so difficult to unpack. There seems to be a perception that what he has done has stopped the "Remain Alliance" plans to legislate against a No Deal Brexit. This is not true, parliament will still sit for a period of time, what he has done is narrow the window in which they have to do it. Parliament passed the Cooper-Letwin bill that forced May to extend A50 beyond it's original March deadline in a few days so there is still time to do it. It's difficult really to know exactly what Johnson or should I say Dominic Cummings is trying to do, because they have still left the opposition time to do what it is they don't want them to do.

Could it be that they are trying to break down the "Remain Alliance" by raising the stakes at which point Corbyn who backed legislation yesterday goes back to his vote of no confidence stance because circumstances have changed, meaning he would be the likely PM which MPs such as The Tory Remainers, Jo Swinson and Anna Soubry do not want and the whole things falls to pieces.

All this time people thought that Johnson's rhetoric on No Deal was him playing cat and mouse with The EU but perhaps he was really playing it with parliament. Merkel through him a life line this week where she said they would be willing to work on something, perhaps this announcing of proroguing of Parliament is all bluff and bluster to show remain MPs that he is serious about No Deal in the hope that they will be brought round to voting for a deal. Of course The EU commission has disbanded its negotiating team, really the only change that would take place is to the political declaration, the overall agreement would be the same. It looks like Johnson is trying to scare MPs into voting for The Withdrawal Agreement, essentially his endgame is to leave The EU with Theresa May's deal

As I said all of this is a tornado of clusterfuckery, it's really hard to pin anything down, who knows what happens next. The Supreme Court ruled that if we are to leave with a deal then parliament has to vote on it. I have seen a few Lawyers on twitter talking about how one outcome, if The Government tried to circumvent Parliament, may be that the process will be passed to the courts that could precipitate a real constitutional crisis as unlike the US we actually don't have a written constitution so they would have to interoperate it themselves and that could end with the Supreme Court forcing Johnson to revoke A50 and kill Brexit stone dead.

As for the "Remain Alliance" the best thing for them to do is take a deep breath and proceed as planned, there is still time to legislate against No Deal

I think the plan is to force a general election, other Tories have said they will vote to collapse the government if Boris tries to "shutdown" parliament to force a no deal and there is no real majority for the Tories so it's kinda pointless to try and push all their domestic agenda stuff as it will never pass and there is no way parliament will vote for no deal. A general election is probably the only way to break the deadlock, although I believe that will result in another hung parliament as I can't see any party getting a majority of any kind

^ Except the threat seems to be that if they lose a vote of no confidence they will call the election for after the 31st October so the UK will have left the EU with no deal. This is yet another lie from Johnson who said in his election campaign he was not in favour of pro-roguing parliament.

^But I don't think he ever explicitly ruled it out

A general election also has to have a six week campaigning period so unless he calls it in the next fortnight it's not going to happen before the Oct 31st deadline date

(28-08-2019 14:21 )southsidestu Wrote:  ^But I don't think he ever explicitly ruled it out

A general election also has to have a six week campaigning period so unless he calls it in the next fortnight it's not going to happen before the Oct 31st deadline date

Agreed - so if he loses a vote of no confidence next week then under the Fixed Term Parliament Act he has 2 weeks to try to form a government that does have the confidence of Parliament. If he runs down the clock then the earliest the election could take place is 31st October but realistically it would be the week after. In either case we would have left the EU with No Deal before a new government could take power.

Petition - Do not prorogue Parliament.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269157

So what after over three years of in - fighting in Parliament, and MP's not able to listen to us mere voters and impose our wish, it has come down to Boris Johnson proroguing parliament and try to cut down parliament time & a vote against no deal. If he said he wasn't in favour of proroguing Parliament, then WHY THE FUCK did he change his mind and did so? I can see Corbyn again forcing a vote of no confidence motion and if he wins Johnson's administration will be toast BEFORE 31st Oct. I have a horrible fear of the Corbyn nightmare is going to come true on 31st Oct.

(28-08-2019 13:33 )SecretAgent Wrote:  ^ Except the threat seems to be that if they lose a vote of no confidence they will call the election for after the 31st October so the UK will have left the EU with no deal. This is yet another lie from Johnson who said in his election campaign he was not in favour of pro-roguing parliament.

Doe it depends how soon or likely would Corbyn table a motion of nor confidence?