Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(25-06-2016 20:44 )barracuda Wrote:  

(25-06-2016 19:29 )SecretAgent Wrote:  If the terms were similar to Norway's I might vote in favour but of course Leave said no to that option as it requires free movement of people.

I thought Leave had retracted that now, saying it recognised that free movement of labour was essential.

The norway model has a Emergency break on numbers hasnt it

(25-06-2016 20:50 )wackawoo Wrote:  To say it's essential is just more remain hogwash and exaggeration.

No, it's Leave that said it, not Remain.

Can you try and pay attention please?

Last night on the BBC NewsNight programme a Leave MP said that free movement of labour was essential.

It caused Evan Davis much amusement.

Regarding the net contributions to the EU budget, fullfacts has the UK figures for last year with some other useful info :

https://fullfact.org/economy/our-eu-memb...5-million/

This telegraph article has a pretty graph for 2014 of all the member states contributions and pay-backs, but you'll have to work the net figures out yourself, but it is much the same, Germany highest net contributor, I think UK next, then France (it's under the heading How much does each country put in?) :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/finan...-know.html

(25-06-2016 20:56 )terence Wrote:  he means free movement of 'labour' is essential if we want to be in the free market.

Free movement came in in 1994 we were in EU before that, presumably we traded before then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_E...bligations

I was watching a clip of a pole, who live in Poland and only went to the UK to earn money and went back to Poland again, it put me in mind of Auf weiderseln (not goign to happen) pet, where british went to germany to work which i assume was based on some form of fact, so migrant workers did happen before free movement.

Free movement with no boarder controls is an increase in security risk though.

(25-06-2016 21:05 )munch1917 Wrote:  Regarding the net contributions to the EU budget, fullfacts has the UK figures for last year with some other useful info :

https://fullfact.org/economy/our-eu-memb...5-million/

Wow what a disgrace of a graph, notice the contributions goes up to 20 bil on the y axis and only down to 10 bil on negative y axis, thereby making the histogram look equal, what we put in we get back.

^^ i don't even know what you're talking about and my heads hurting. i'll leave you argue with everyone else for a bit.

Dont argue with Facts or truth terence it just confuses him

(25-06-2016 21:04 )Prince Henry Sinclair Wrote:  Last night on the BBC NewsNight programme a Leave MP said that free movement of labour was essential.

Newsnight presenter Even Davis accused a top Brexit campaigner of misleading the public. Evan Davies told MEP Daniel Hannan his admission Britain would still have to accept the free movement of labour was “completely at odds with what the public think they’ve just voted for."

At one point the exasperated presenter held his head in his hands, before saying: "I’m sorry we’ve just been through three months of agony on the issue of immigration. “The public have been led to believe that what they have voted for is an end to free movement.”

Mr Davies said: "Why didn’t you say this in the campaign? Why didn’t you say in the campaign that you were wanting a scheme where we have free movement of labour?"

(Daily Mirror)

heres the video evidence http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...2482780269

(25-06-2016 21:10 )wackawoo Wrote:  Wow what a disgrace of a graph, notice the contributions goes up to 20 bil on the y axis and only down to 10 bil on negative y axis, thereby making the histogram look equal, what we put in we get back.

The scale is exactly the same, so it doesn't make it look equal at all, and there is a line graph right there super-imposed over it showing the net contribution, so how are you getting confused

Shoulda gone to specsavers!