Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(22-05-2016 16:47 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(22-05-2016 08:56 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  It's interesting to see that, despite alot of influential people like wackawoo coming out for Leave, this poll stubbornly remains at around the same split as it was at the start.

I really don't think I have ever been influential on this site

(06-06-2016 02:20 )wackawoo Wrote:  Obviously my ironic answer flew right over your head

Looks like it. You'll have to explain the irony, assuming you know what irony is.

Irony: Alanis Morissette singing a song about irony - although none of the lyrics actually describe anything ironic whatsoever.

And that has the biggest bearing on any referendum debate I've ever seen.

(06-06-2016 13:28 )The Silent Majority Wrote:   Looks like it. You'll have to explain the irony, assuming you know what irony is.

Well there's irony.

And this nik picking at my post again has what to do with Europe?

(06-06-2016 08:04 )Doddle Wrote:  What do you suppose the 1992 General Election was, if not a vote on the party who signed up to the Maastricht Treaty?

See also the 1970 General Election, where people voted for a party who would sign up to the EEC in the first place.

Yeah, you're right - I said I don't understand why consecutive governments of both colours (and therefore the electorate) have gone along with it - but when the choices are a rock and a hard place, whatever choice you make is gonna be uncomfortable.

In 1970, both parties were committed to signing up to the Common Market.

But 1992 - we were in the middle of a recession, Neil Kinnocks Labour weren't fit to govern themselves, let alone the Country and wouldn't have taken us out of the EEC anyway, and the tory manifesto maintained the lie of a Federal Europe, referring to it only as the Single Market, even though they'd signed the Maastricht Treaty just a few months before and knew exactly what it meant and this went on to tear the party apart and make them unelectable for the next 15 years.

That 67% of the electorate did NOT vote tory, yet they returned an outright majority to Westminster is a reflection of the unfairness and unrepresentativeness of our two party political system and is a debate for another place and time... But thats why a referendum is so important - it's the only time in our system that every vote counts.

but now you get fined for voting apathy, right? And if there has been misdemeanours committed by the Tories in the 2015 election, is it possible then that the referendum vote would become meaningless and there will be a new General Election and whoever wins that will have to call a fresh referendum?

(06-06-2016 22:48 )babelover48 Wrote:  but now you get fined for voting apathy, right? And if there has been misdemeanours committed by the Tories in the 2015 election, is it possible then that the referendum vote would become meaningless and there will be a new General Election and whoever wins that will have to call a fresh referendum?

If there have been misdemeanours it would count as individual cases. Some MPs might have to resign and have by-elections (but don't hold your breath), and if they were Tories and they then lost their seats to Labour (say) and the Government lost its majority, it would likely still carry on until 2020.

Interesting quasi-news story about there being an overwhelming HoC majority for Remain and suggestions that this majority would reject a Brexit vote if it went for Leave - subtle pro-Leave propaganda to imply that Leave are the underdogs working against a corrupt state, blah blah, etc

Almost as spurious as Farage's whinge about Euro sex attackers if Remain win - has he never investigated Boris the Sex Maniac's history?

Seems that 65 Billion £ was taken out of UK currency in the first 2 months of the the referendum campaign 1.2 million a minute was taken out of the UK and moved into other currencys in March alone Biggest capital flight since the 2008 crash

http://news.sky.com/story/1708390/billio...of-eu-vote

(07-06-2016 18:04 )HannahsPet Wrote:  Seems that 65 Billion £ was taken out of UK currency in the first 2 months of the the referendum campaign 1.2 million a minute was taken out of the UK and moved into other currencys in March alone Biggest capital flight since the 2008 crash

http://news.sky.com/story/1708390/billio...of-eu-vote

Why would they do that when all the polls are saying stay in?

Colour me sceptical.

I see Channel 4 are putting the BBC and Sky to shame next week with their intelligent contribution to this vital question: an hour-long return for EuroTrash

and that French nutter Atoine Is back too?