Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(22-04-2016 07:23 )babelover48 Wrote:  Did the Dog Find it? Having quite decided the fate of mine yet but more than likely have a ceremonial burning on a bonfire. Mind you I wonder how many were burned last night in the beacons and bonfires lit to mark the Queen's birthday.

The Dog took one look at it and went back to licking his nuts. I think that's a definite "out" vote.

I decided not to waste a valuable match and threw Cameron's propaganda rag in the bin. Not the recycling bin either so stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Mr Juncker

Well, clearly the open doors policy is causeing an immigration problem that can only get worse.

I have not seen anything oher than the very unconvincing pro Europe propaganda from the pro people, nothng thats not been seriouisly challanged; nor have I seen any one answer my simple question, why would trade with Europe suddenly become such a massive problem for the UK? when not only does the UK already trade with Europe, but it doesn't see to affect any other country around the word from trading with Europe.

Even their own Government and party are divided and a lot wont out, that speaks volumes to me.

UK along with an handful of other countires contributes pretty much everything ot Europe whilst the rest of the poorer ones take. Britian receive by far and away the less back, much less than the other major contributers.

Personally, I think if Britian pulled out of Europe it wouldn't be Britian that would suffer, but it might mark the end of the EU, Germany, France and the other big contributers would have to pick up the UK tab, which would be finantialy impossible and is probably the reason why those countries are desperate for UK to stay in europe.

I have not seen a single REALISTIC survay or article that when you look at the real facts and figues that doesn't show the UK to be losing and losing heavily in all aspects of Europe.

I have decided, it is an out vote from me. The pro voters need to remove the rose tinted specticles.

sorry but thats offensive to me as someone who has both british and german family and had relatives die on both sides during the two world wars. to use that to drive home something thats not even true thats low. reminds me of the UKIP ad with a spitfire and turns out the spitfire had been flown by Free Polish Pilots

Dont you think if germans were in charge of europe it would be running a lot fucking better. its because they only have the same say as we have that the EU is in the shit its in.

(23-04-2016 00:22 )Tumble_Drier Wrote:  

(22-04-2016 07:23 )babelover48 Wrote:  Did the Dog Find it? Having quite decided the fate of mine yet but more than likely have a ceremonial burning on a bonfire. Mind you I wonder how many were burned last night in the beacons and bonfires lit to mark the Queen's birthday.

The Dog took one look at it and went back to licking his nuts. I think that's a definite "out" vote.

I decided not to waste a valuable match and threw Cameron's propaganda rag in the bin. Not the recycling bin either so stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Mr Juncker

I guess when you think about it, every out vote will be a vote against Mr Juncker and the so called beaurocrats of the EU

(23-04-2016 00:22 )Tumble_Drier Wrote:  

(22-04-2016 07:23 )babelover48 Wrote:  Did the Dog Find it? Having quite decided the fate of mine yet but more than likely have a ceremonial burning on a bonfire. Mind you I wonder how many were burned last night in the beacons and bonfires lit to mark the Queen's birthday.

The Dog took one look at it and went back to licking his nuts. I think that's a definite "out" vote.

I decided not to waste a valuable match and threw Cameron's propaganda rag in the bin. Not the recycling bin either so stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Mr Juncker

Even the dog wasn't impressed?
Would shredding it be a waste? Yet we have not had a leaflet from the Out campaign, but I guess they find it better to use the media to do their work for them.
Incidentally what happens to our Euro MP's if we vote to leave?

(23-04-2016 00:36 )wackawoo Wrote:  I have decided, it is an out vote from me.

Nooooooooooooo?!?!? *tears up betting slip*

Tumble Drier Wrote:The Dog took one look at it and went back to licking his nuts. I think that's a definite "out" vote.

Sadly, dogs can't vote. Or are you claiming your judgement is based on your dog?

Nice to see the Obama backlash today, with such luminaries as Liam Fox saying his intervention was irrelevant.

That's Barack Obama, the Nobel Prize-winning President of the United States of America.
and Liam Fox, the wazzock who got kicked out of the Cabinet for taking his best buddy on freebies at the taxpayer's expense.

Hmm, tough one

(23-04-2016 08:11 )Doddle Wrote:  Nooooooooooooo?!?!? *tears up betting slip*

You shouldn't judge people. As said before, I know jack diddly about politics and I keep away from it as much as humanly possible, I think I voted in general elections two or three times.

With it being such a big issue I decided to pay attention and look into it - and it's been a major eye opener

If, I'd have seen any where that being in Europe was a real good thing for Britian (and I don't mean scare mongering tactics) I would have resumed my old habit of paying no attention to politics and let others sort it all out; I wouldn't have voted. I have not seen anything when you delve into it, and no answers have come forth to my very simple questions.

Some one mentioned being offended about people dying on both sides of the war. But millions DID die on both sides, and they died (especially in WW2) so one country did not have control over other countries, a thing so bad with the British empire (I've even seen the Roman empire being mentioned in support of europe) .

Even in Europe Britain would only be one against the rest, to think Britian being in Europe would give them more sway would be nonsense because they will always be out voted over critical issues. It's quite clear that Germany has the sway of everthing and France wants to muscle in on that, these two will always side against UK when needed.

To think a few mainly older, none UK, men, UNELECTED by the British public, sat around a desk in Brussels dictating what the entire population should do in the UK (even if those people in the UK do not want the directives), is funamentally wrong. Not only is it far from democracey it is autocracy in disguise.

Trying to make Europe into same form of one nation like the USA wouldn't work either. European countries, peoples, languages and cultures are vastly different, most have been at war on and off for a thouasnds of years and more. USA are all Americans, they may have various ancestry, but they are Americas, in the same way that imigrants after a generation or two are British - Europeans will ALWAYS be vastly different. Nor would a 'united states of Europe' prevent future wars, even Britian and America had civil wars.

Each sovereign state should be exactly that, to govern itself with no interferance from any other country over any internal affairs, other than that is fundamentally wrong, ironically the reason why a lot in Scotland and Northern Ireland want the UK fracturing - there's a lesson there i think.

(23-04-2016 08:11 )Doddle Wrote:  That's Barack Obama, the Nobel Prize-winning President of the United States of America.

Other than being a black president, and not being political, what has Obama actually done? Let alone to win a nobel prize.

Whatever he has or hasn't done, I have zero respect for him over that threat. Particularly when you consider he stated America has no greater ally than france, but then trots out the special relationship spiel - right there makes him two faced and not to be trusted.

He saying that UK would be last on the list when it came to trade was nothing more than a disgusting and disgraceful threat, and it's a good job he will be replaced soon.

The black mail I spoke of ealier is writ large right there.

As regarding what UK spends that's already been covered here, about the same amount has the NHS.

If only Obama had got involved earlier when David Cameron was in negotitions with the the rest of the EU countries.
With his support Cameron may have been able to cut a deal.
Instead Cameron came back from Brussels with 'rein'

^ You clearly did not see the recent programme in BBC about Obama's White House. I suggest you watch it as it will inform your opinions about what US politics is about & how he has actually achieved some significant victories. Also what you describe as threats I view as telling it how it is when it comes to negotiating trade deals. Brexiters have no evidence to back up their claim it will be easy to negotiate c50 deals around the world. In fact by the time they tried it might be Trump (God forbid) in the White House and his view on trade seems to be to tell the world to get stuffed.

Oh and by the way the biggest lie of the campaign to date is that we send £350m a week to Europe. We don't. 4 Brexit "leaders" we're due to attend a parliament select committee this week. 1 turned up and he performed badly. They are a bunch of little englander misfits who to date have produced no facts or world renowned bodies to back up their Brexit claims. Why the hell should they be trusted?