Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(15-03-2016 09:04 )Doddle Wrote:  EIGHTY PER CENT think LEAVE is wrong!

Do they say why? And how do they account for the best case scenario, if trade agreements were in place with Europe, UK would indeed be better out of Europe.

Do all these supporters for in gain something finantially personally

(17-10-2015 04:24 )babelover48 Wrote:  as for their loony laws and directives

Which loony laws and directives did you have in mind? Can you give examples?

(16-03-2016 11:19 )Prince Henry Sinclair Wrote:  

(17-10-2015 04:24 )babelover48 Wrote:  as for their loony laws and directives

Which loony laws and directives did you have in mind? Can you give examples?

shape pf fruit and vegetables

(16-03-2016 01:15 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(15-03-2016 09:04 )Doddle Wrote:  EIGHTY PER CENT think LEAVE is wrong!

Do they say why? And how do they account for the best case scenario, if trade agreements were in place with Europe, UK would indeed be better out of Europe.

Since you ask so nicely:
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/eu-referendum-...22371.html

Quote:According to the survey, 80% of the 773 businesses surveyed said it was in their best interest to see Britain remain in the EU, while 5% claimed the UK would be better off leaving the 28-country bloc and the remaining 15% was unsure.
CBI director-general Carolyn Fairbairn described the survey as a "resounding" message from members that "most want the UK to stay in the EU because it is better for their business, jobs and prosperity".
It is not our place to tell people how to vote, but the CBI will play its role in making the economic case for remaining in the EU."

wackawoo Wrote:Do all these supporters for in gain something finantially personally

You seem to be inferring that the REMAIN folk are all selfishly motivated, whilst the LEAVE folk are entirely self-less and honest?!

(16-03-2016 20:50 )cwpussylover Wrote:  

(16-03-2016 11:19 )Prince Henry Sinclair Wrote:  

(17-10-2015 04:24 )babelover48 Wrote:  as for their loony laws and directives

Which loony laws and directives did you have in mind? Can you give examples?

shape pf fruit and vegetables

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6481969.stm

Quote:commissioners have no problem with straight bananas, it's the crooked ones they don't like so much, but they have never banned them. As Commission Regulation (EC) 2257/94 puts it, bananas must be "free from malformation or abnormal curvature". In the case of "Extra class" bananas, there is no wiggle room, but Class 1 bananas can have "slight defects of shape", and Class 2 bananas can have full-on "defects of shape".

No attempt is made to define "abnormal curvature" in the case of bananas, which must lead to lots of arguments. Contrast the case of cucumbers (Commission Regulation (EEC) No 1677/88), where Class I and "Extra class" cucumbers are allowed a bend of 10mm per 10cm of length. Class II cucumbers can bend twice as much.

I can't imagine you have much trouble with the bend in your banana, cw

(16-03-2016 20:50 )cwpussylover Wrote:  

(16-03-2016 11:19 )Prince Henry Sinclair Wrote:  

(17-10-2015 04:24 )babelover48 Wrote:  as for their loony laws and directives

Which loony laws and directives did you have in mind? Can you give examples?

shape pf fruit and vegetables

The supermarkets are just as much to blame for things like that throwing aways millions of tonnes of veg a year because it doesnt look right

in fact tesco were in headlines a few weeks back because they were making straight croisonts because people wanted them to be less curly

lol Doddle

(16-03-2016 22:21 )Doddle Wrote:  you ask so nicely:
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/eu-referendum-...vey-finds-

This why we need details. What is it that makes those 5% think we are better off out? and the 15% not sure?

It then says medium companies are less supportive, does this mean there is a difference proportional to the size, for instance, sainsburys buy a lot from the EU, which in turn sends the prices down for UK farmers.

That scenario being in this case, it could be that if we were out of Europe, sainsburys would have to pay more from mostly uk farmers, but uk farmers would be better off.

Is it a case that the big business and bullyng the small business for their own profits?

That said, Sainsburys probably employ more then a typical farmer.

The agri-business industry will be just as corrupt out of Europe as in it, so don't bet the farm (!) on that argument. Large supermarkets will be just as unhelpful to growers and producers whether the EU are in charge or not. That, regrettably, is human nature.

(17-03-2016 01:57 )wackawoo Wrote:  That said, Sainsburys probably employ more then a typical farmer.

Far be it from me to question you on numbers, but you do realise Sainsburys buy from more than one farmer.

UK agriculture employs almost 1/2m people and 10's of thousands more in ancillary industries. The weak position of farmers when trading with supermarkets lies in the fact that it isn't just one farmer.

There is no reason to suppose supermarkets will be forced to stop sourcing from the EU following Brexit, unless you think there will be trade barriers once we're out. If anything, EU produce will be able to under cut home-grown much more if UK agriculture is taken out of the European subsidy regime.