Now call me old fashioned here but I still remember an era that out of respect you would allways have one minutes silence but it seems to me that in our civilised society that this can no longer be the case.
First of all the Pro's and Cons.
One Minutes Silence
Pro's - When this was served impeccably throughout the whole ground and you could hear a pin drop I think it really sent out a strong and powerful message of human compassion. It showed that human life and tragedy was far more important than football rivalries and just showed how insignificant a game is when in comparision to events in the real and sometimes cruel world.
Con's - The problem as allways would lye in the hands of the minority, from time to time you would hear morans chanting or refusing to give up 1 minute of their precious time to show a bit of respect. Worse was if this was witnessed on the telly.
One minutes applause
Pro's -The idiots in the minority who refused to applaud and instead continue to chant are ultimately drowned out by the majority who are willing to show respect.
Con's - For me the one minutes applause although respectful in it's own rights has a sort of hollow ring to it. It doesn't have the sincerety that a minutes silence would.
Your Thoughts. Also this is a poll to see what the general football fan out there thinks is the best way forward.
i quite agree woth what you say scottish bloke we have a two minutes silence for remembrance Sunday, but a minutes silence is a true mark of respect. Those that do not observe the silence (whenever requested to do so) do not have human dignity for thoe who have passed away. If they are caught on TV then the clubs concerned they are supported should request footage to identify them and send them a warning letter that their behaviour was unaxcceptable when dignity and respect was required.
Whatever you do there will always be the idiotic minority who use the occasion to show the world what planks they are.
Which is best I think depends on the particular event being marked.
If an individual has passed away, sometimes a minutes applause is a more uplifting way of remembering and commemorating their life and achievements, whereas, if it's to mark a bigger occasion, like say remembrance sunday, then a minutes silent contemplation seems more appropriate.
It all depends really on what and whom it's for, we've done both.
A minutes silence is a massive statement and is actually quite moving but so is a minutes aplause, a few years ago one of our young fans was killed In a car crash on the way to Barnsley, he got a minutes aplause and several thousand people chanting his name, his father said it was the best fitting tribute to his son but sometimes it's wrong and death should not be applauded.
last year we had three tributes on the trot, the silence for Remembrance Day, a minutes aplause for an ex owner(I think) and minutes aplause for Gary speed which personally I didn't join in with cause I felt it was wrong.
I've only ever witnessed a minutes silence been intrupted once for Remembrance Day, something at the time I was ridiculous furious about but later learned that it came from some fans coming into the ground, fucking morons at best but they wasn't trying to be disrespectful (I hope anyway)
So for me there's no straight answer.
when did this minutes applause actually come in? does anyone know cos im sure up to a few years ago it was always a minutes silence so who died for this minutes applause to start?
it depends on the who and what, i think the minutes applause came out of the blue when either george best or bobby robson passed away and it has stayed. if the person that passed was a private person then a minutes silence would be best however say someone like ian wright or dennis bergkamp passed away then a minutes applause would be more fitting than a minutes silence.
there is no right or wrong answer. i think it is down to the individual some may feel a silence is apporiate and some at the same time a minutes applause is apporiate. with gary speed death both would be correct minutes silence for the circumstances and minutes applause for the way he played the game and the person he was off the field.
with Remembrance Day and 11th Nov, remembering the 96 on 15th april or the weekend closest then a minutes silence is more apporiate than a minutes applause.
I think the applause became popular with people wishing to celebrate the life of someone without necessarily having the solemness that comes with a minutes silence. Often requested by the deceased person themselves. Both are fitting marks of respect in my opinion. It's what you feel in your heart that matters
(26-09-2012 16:41 )bigguy01 Wrote: [ -> ]it depends on the who and what, i think the minutes applause came out of the blue when either george best or bobby robson passed away and it has stayed. if the person that passed was a private person then a minutes silence would be best however say someone like ian wright or dennis bergkamp passed away then a minutes applause would be more fitting than a minutes silence.
there is no right or wrong answer. i think it is down to the individual some may feel a silence is apporiate and some at the same time a minutes applause is apporiate. with gary speed death both would be correct minutes silence for the circumstances and minutes applause for the way he played the game and the person he was off the field.
with Remembrance Day and 11th Nov, remembering the 96 on 15th april or the weekend closest then a minutes silence is more apporiate than a minutes applause.
now u say that bigguy i do recall a game at west ham when trevor brooking and bobby charlton came onto the pitch together at upton park or the boleyn ground or woteva u wanna call it
im sure george best had just died as well like u said so im sure it was around that time it might have started at a football stadium! i think with the applause it does drown out chants so i prefer that to the silence, its like your celebrating the persons life instead of mourning them which alot of people want to grieve in private anyway so i prefer the applause.
really depends on what the silence or applause is commerating if it a diaster an applause wouldnt be apprioate but if a death of someone who brought pleasure to people would be more approiate to do an applause
(26-09-2012 16:31 )malicious fan Wrote: [ -> ]when did this minutes applause actually come in?
The first call for a minute's applause was made on 25 August 2007 at Goodison Park for a match between Everton and Blackburn Rovers. It was in honour of a murdered Everton fan, 11 year old Rhys Jones, and applause rather than silence had been requested by his parents. Previously on the occasion of George Best's death in 2005 a minute's silence had been called for across the country, but was spontaneously ignored at some grounds in favour of a minute's applause. The second footballer to get a minute's applause was Alan Ball in 2007 at Goodison Park, also when a minute's silence had been called for. At other grounds the requested minute's silence was observed.