lovebabes56
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The State of the UK Union in 2022
Guys,
I'd like to know your thoughts as to where our UK union stands in 2022.
Have we reached the point over the last two years where the pandemic has shaped Scotland Wales and Northern individually to claim independence from Westminster? And is our union in a far more precarious state than we actually realise and is it weaker/stronger than that of the Union of the EU or US?
If the the Union was to split, would this make our country weaker or stronger or are we stronger together as one?
Your comments, thoughts and/or ideas about where the Union should be
are welcome.
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(This post was last modified: 03-02-2022 07:50 by lovebabes56.)
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hornball
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RE: The State of the UK Union in 2022
Thanks Chrisst from NI. What is it?? something we said?? On a more intellectual level, I think that from a Conservative, Labour, Westminster perspective, the effort to keep Scotland and Wales would be much greater, were it to look like either or both intended to break the link. Ever since the Conservative party in particular said the govt had no selfish or strategic interest in NI, it became nothing more than a numbers game - (don't get hung up with the lazy read across of the population P/C numbers in determining likelihood of UI all the same, by the way) At least the Labour Party has moved to the consent principle rather than a clear unambiguous campaign to secure a UI.
I would bet Scotland will be the first to breakaway. No incentive to stay post Brexit! I agree 100% with you about the small minded decision to leave the EU (in some respects responsible for the louder 'conversation' about the possibility/likelihood of a UI - one reason I don't understand the DUP(ed) position on the trading 'Protocol'). Look at who is taking 'charge' of trying to stop the Russia/Ukraine stand off from tipping over the edge on behalf the EU. We are but a bit player now, unfortunately it seems further securing ourselves to the leash of the USA, while the axis of power may be shifting from one hyper power, to other 'spheres of influence' (maybe no bad thing) Macron clearly has been 'authorised' to act for the EU with - in particular - Germany not agreeing with the USA position.
(This post was last modified: 08-02-2022 12:25 by hornball.)
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Goodfella3041
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RE: The State of the UK Union in 2022
A bit controversial and unrealistic, but I’ve always thought that the whole country would be better off if we disengaged London from everything else.
Not a city-state, but an honest recognition that London has more in common — both good and bad — with New York, Paris and Singapore than it does with Manchester, Newcastle and Birmingham. National planning, taxation and infrastructure policies make no sense when you try to apply them equally to London and Lincoln at the same time.
So I’m for lots more devolution to all the home countries, plus London.
Then put Prince Andrew in jail, Boris Johnson in the wilderness, and Nigel Farage at the bottom of a river, and my ‘to do’ list of political reforms is complete.
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dundeered
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RE: The State of the UK Union in 2022
Here are my thoughts. I voted no to independence in 2014 and remain in 2016. However, if/when there is another independence referendum I am 90% of the way to voting yes to independence. For me the change of mind came after the 2019 General Election. I looked at the 2016 and 2019 results maps, and thought Scotland and England are politically different to each other. Given that Scotland and England are politically different from each other the longer we are tied to each other the more resentful we will become of each other. So, for the sake of sanity and peace we embark on different political journeys.
Then COVID started and saw a government in Edinburgh (that, although not perfect) that gave a damn. Whereas, a government in London that just not care at all.
Thirdly, Boris Johnson once written a poem about the Scottish ( http://glendiscovery.com/scots-a-verminous-race.html). Why would any Scottish person with a shred of self respect what to be ruled over by someone who thinks these things of you. Even if Boris Johnson goes, that anti Scottish sentiment/culture will still be there.
The only element of doubt I have is in the practical realities of independence.
(This post was last modified: 10-02-2022 00:14 by dundeered.)
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