US Election & Presidency

(09-11-2020 18:03 )HannahsPet Wrote:  fucking hell biden is a breath of fresh air doing this covid taskforce thing

Lets hope he does not do any more of those oops I have done something in my pants jogs to his next rather loudly shouting speeches....

(09-11-2020 14:11 )Bandwagon Wrote:  Over here in the UK I've noticed a pattern, the same people who were dead against Brexit for ruining trade deals etc are the same people who hate Donald Trump.

True, but that's just a feature of partisan issues. It's similar on the flipside with the people who are most vocal about lifting lockdown because of the harm done to the economy, who only a year ago were saying 'who cares about Brexit harming the economy? you loony lefties only care about money lol laughing emoji laughing emoji' etc.

Brexit and Covid response aren't connected in any way, but I've definitely seen a few people 'turning on a sixpence' with stuff like this.

(09-11-2020 18:27 )hugh_g_rection Wrote:  who cares about Brexit harming the economy?

You're whole point centre's around this core statement.

So let me reassure you, not once as a Brexiteer have I personally said that or thought that.
In fact, wasn't it that shit wrote on the side of that bus that us Brexiteers got a chubby over?

(09-11-2020 14:11 )Bandwagon Wrote:  People didn't vote Joe Biden in, they voted Donald Trump out.

Agree with that.

I don’t think Joe Biden was an especially strong or charismatic candidate — just the most ‘electable’ from a stable that was leaning a little too far left for my taste (and I’d consider myself a bit of a lefty).

(09-11-2020 14:11 )Bandwagon Wrote:  It astounds me to see how many of you are so quick to see Donald Trump out despite the fact he is the best defence against the ever-rising far left that none of you seem to be noticing.

Notice it. And don’t like it. But I don’t think the Tea Party Right is an effective defence against the progressive Left or vice versa. The best defence against either extreme is a strong centre-left duelling and dealing with a strong centre-right.

Not sure that we’ll ever get back there, but that’s my hope.

(09-11-2020 14:11 )Bandwagon Wrote:  ...People sat festering on all the biased shite that MSM feed you day after day because he didn't fit the nauseating narrative.

This is part of that same problem. You think my media is biased and I think your media is biased, so there’s nowhere left to go. There’s no middle ground anymore.

A Fox News begets an MSNBC, which I find equally unwatchable. Sure, they’re saying things I want to hear, but the left-wing bias is so palpable that it feels like they’re spoon-feeding me sugar. Even CNN became an unapologetically anti-Trump channel that was 90% opinion and 10% fact. Unwatchable. I went to ABC News for my election coverage.

I’m not so sure that the most troubling fault lines in either country are determined by race, class, education, ideology or economic circumstance. I think they might be ‘informational’. If you get your news from Fox and Brietbart and the Wall Street Journal, you vote for Trump and despise the left. If you watch CNN and read the New York Times, you despise Trump and venerate Bernie Sanders.

I’m not sure how that problem gets fixed.

Cant see Biden being able to bring the States back together...not since the civil war have they been so far about. The way it is going major unrest is on the cards.

(09-11-2020 18:44 )Bandwagon Wrote:  

(09-11-2020 18:27 )hugh_g_rection Wrote:  who cares about Brexit harming the economy?

You're whole point centre's around this core statement.

So let me reassure you, not once as a Brexiteer have I personally said that or thought it, for that matter.
In fact, wasn't it that shit wrote on the side of that bus that us Brexiteers got a chubby over?

I wasn't suggesting you personally said it. But I've definitely seen it being said by some.

I suppose though, this is another problem with partisan issues. Whatever side of the issue we fall on, we're sometimes compelled or expected to defend the extreme fringes of that side.

Trump fires Defense Secretary Mark Esper.
He opposed Trump in sending in the military to quell the demonstrations against police brutality.

^Could there be a lawsuit heading in Trump's diretion I wonder? Not the first time anyone's been fired from a job via Twitter I'm sure, but probably didn't have the decency to tell him face to face either.

Tough guy Trump does not have the balls to fire someone face to face. He never has. Also the rules state that the congress approved deputy should be interim Secretary of Defence but as usual Trump ignores that. I guess the guy he has appointed is prepared to use the Army to shoot US civilians which Esper for some reason didn’t think appropriate.

(09-11-2020 18:47 )Goodfella3041 Wrote:  Agree with that.......

A nice diplomatic post there and for the most part I do agree.You make some great points.

But as for Trump, I just think the guy was never given a fair shake from the get-go. The witch-hunt started on day one and never ceased. I don't like that.
Let's take Biden and start believing all the right-wing shit we are now hearing about him, we might never give him a fighting chance and simply chalk him off as another closet paedo from the Jimmy club.

Give the guy a chance I say.

Trump was never given that chance in my opinion. Yes he had four years to prove himself, but the guy could have resurrected Bob Marley and Elvis Presley from the fucking dead and still be a cunt in the morning news.