Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(04-02-2017 16:26 )Matt77 Wrote:  re. 'wackawoo':
[/i]Does anyone have any idea what this fool means with this garbled attempt at a sentence? Yeah, me neither.

Young man, I have been dealing with gramma Nazi's pretty much all of my life, especially on the internet including on this forum and including on this site even up to today.

These gramma Nazi have a perculier notion that literacy equates with intelligence, this is very far from the case, has your post clearly demonstraites.

To illuminate you. I was diagnosed with dyslexia in the summer of 1996 were the university I was attending arrange the test. I was found to have the written IQ of a 14 year old (being 27 at the time), the over all IQ was 124, well above average, my verbal IQ was found to be 131, this is in the top 2% of the country, being very highly intelligent:

http://wilderdom.com/intelligence/IQWhatScoresMean.html

Yes, my literacy is my acheles heel, but intelligence isn't, it is the reason why I don't have to ask others to weigh in on my behalf (very sad); incidentally, just in case you missed it, I made a thread advising people to place me on ignore if they had a problem.

I also like this irony "Or are we wasting our time responding to a closed mind", because no remainer or anti Trump post are at all closed minded are they?

As for your judges, I don't know where your 11 - 0 comes from, but the ruling I saw was a majority of 8 - 3

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/...ment-full/

Incidentally, it is a pretty well known fact that Alanis Morrisette song was wrong on the meaning of ironic on many occasions - that being ironic.

(04-02-2017 17:14 )Scots Napoleon Wrote:  

(04-02-2017 02:04 )wackawoo Wrote:  I am not a political animal, I have never claimed to be

Yet you're easily the biggest contributor to this political thread.

Yes, it's an important issue, has I have explained.

But to be fair, most of my post are pretty much my defending what I have writian.

(04-02-2017 07:58 )Bandwagon Wrote:  The truth is that nobody who voted actually knew what they were voting for, because this has never been done before.
We were all given a bunch of information and we had to take it from there, that's it.
As I said before, I voted to leave and I'm not ashamed of that, no matter what happens. I will not be made to feel like I should be held accountable if it goes wrong.
If the government are stupid enough to put such a huge decision in the hands of Joe Public (advisory or not) then none of us should be worried about how we voted. It's the government who get paid to lead the country, not us.

Some great points.

Whilst some people may have had a different interpretations of what the leave vote meant,I voted leave with the intention of a clean break/detatchment from the rest of the EU & not a half-hearted break like staying in the single-market which means having to accept the 4 freedoms which in definition means we haven't really left the EU.
I was also aware the vote was intended to be a once-in-a lifetime vote whatever the result & not the best 3,4 or 5.
For such a binary question required a binary answer not an if,but,maybe thrown in as the Lib Dems would like.
My decision came from my own personal research (not from reading papers like the Mail,Sun,Mirror etc or reading government literature),my own life experiences ie where I live,my experience as working as a skilled tradesman in the construction industry for the past 20+ years & the future of both my family & the country.I balanced out all the Pro's & Con's of the EU which there were more of the latter in my opinion.The rest is they say is history.

wackawoo: As for your judges, I don't know where your 11 - 0 comes from, but the ruling I saw was a majority of 8 - 3

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/...ment-full/


Read my post again and show me where I state the judgment was 11-0! I clearly state it was 8-3 and that's where the 72.7%-27.3% figures come from. (8 out of 11 being 72.7% and 3/11 being 27.3%).

Starting to become tedious having to correct your constant falsehoods.

(05-02-2017 02:02 )Matt77 Wrote:  wackawoo: As for your judges, I don't know where your 11 - 0 comes from, but the ruling I saw was a majority of 8 - 3

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/...ment-full/


Read my post again and show me where I state the judgment was 11-0! I clearly state it was 8-3 and that's where the 72.7%-27.3% figures come from. (8 out of 11 being 72.7% and 3/11 being 27.3%).

Starting to become tedious having to correct your constant falsehoods.

So what exactly is your point?

We both say it was an 8 to 3 majority, some judges upheld the governments claim, others didn't, it depends on how you look at it, that is, how the judges interprited the law.

Youe quite welcome to try and create and cause an argument with me, but be warned, i've always been pretty mild on here, even with the likes of silent majority.

Carry on with your hostility and I might just bite.

(05-02-2017 00:05 )Jack the Nipper Wrote:  My decision came from my own personal research (not from reading papers like the Mail,Sun,Mirror etc or reading government literature),my own life experiences ie where I live,my experience as working as a skilled tradesman in the construction industry for the past 20+ years & the future of both my family & the country.I balanced out all the Pro's & Con's of the EU which there were more of the latter in my opinion.The rest is they say is history.

Yes absolutely, I also did plenty of research before casting my vote, to try and help me decide what I thought was best for me and my family. So to help inject some clarity on my previous post, since I touched on people 'not really knowing what they were voting for'; with this I meant the long-term effects of leaving/remaining in the EU. The immediate effects were seemingly quite clear (at the time) and as you say, a clean break from the EU with no ties and a fresh start for the UK, including everything else involved.
However, the long-term effects were always that bit harder to predict/forecast, and that's where it got that little bit harder. But that uncertainty has to apply to both leaving and remaining. I suppose for some it might seem quite easy to accept the status quo as our safest option, but that future isn't set in stone either and hence the whole point.

(05-02-2017 03:40 )wackawoo Wrote:  be warned, i've always been pretty mild on here, even with the likes of silent majority.


Carry on with your hostility and I might just bite.

(05-02-2017 09:22 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  [snip]

At least you've gone back to your old school ground creep ways. Sniding behind others coat tails.

(05-02-2017 04:36 )Bandwagon Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 00:05 )Jack the Nipper Wrote:  

Yes absolutely, I also did plenty of research before casting my vote, to try and help me decide what I thought was best for me and my family. So to help inject some clarity on my previous post, since I touched on people 'not really knowing what they were voting for'; with this I meant the long-term effects of leaving/remaining in the EU. The immediate effects were seemingly quite clear (at the time) and as you say, a clean break from the EU with no ties and a fresh start for the UK, including everything else involved.
However, the long-term effects were always that bit harder to predict/forecast, and that's where it got that little bit harder. But that uncertainty has to apply to both leaving and remaining. I suppose for some it might seem quite easy to accept the status quo as our safest option, but that future isn't set in stone either and hence the whole point.

I'm in complete agreement with you pal & we are reading from the same hymn sheet regarding our decisions & justification for it even when questioned.
No one can predict the future not Economists,Bank of England,Governments even Mystic Meg & I'm not sure even Nostradamus predicted Brexit.When no Economist was able to predict the bank crash in 2008 what hope do they have in predicting forecasts in 2025/2030 & beyond.
As you rightly say there is as much uncertainty in remaining in the EU as leaving, will the EU project still be around in 5-10 years who knows,what if other EU countries vote leave in the future?,who will be the next country to default & file for an EU bailout?,will Turkey ever join the EU? or will their be in EU Army?.
What the next 2 years post triggering Article 50 will prove is whether the Government is has the real willingness/capabilities of removing the deep rooted tendrils of the EU that have long been embedded very fabric of of this country or do they resort to the EU being the comfort blanket they've held for so long they don't want to get rid of.

^ The first question I had to ask myself about this referendum was why? What were the underlying issues about the EU that has brought this referendum to the surface? I'll admit, I've been ignorant towards the EU over the years and paid it little attention. I then realised I was in desperate need of some EU digging. I spent hours upon hours reading through pages and pages of information on the EU and everything about it. I also tried my level best to made a conscious effort to keep a balanced approach towards the pros & cons. But the further I dug, I soon began to realise why so many people were raising the alarm over the EU and heading for the fire exit.
So I suppose I took to the belief that it was better to be on the outside of a burning building over the inside, even if it does turn out to be a false alarm. There's also plenty of prosperous countries already dwelling outside of the EU to help bolster this logic.
And so right or wrong, here's how I eventually came to my deciding vote.