Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

No they said they wanted Control who came in not that they would cut migration

(25-06-2016 11:24 )SecretAgent Wrote:  This vote has changed the face of politics. I'm surprised & disappointed that some people who voted have said they voted Leave as a protest vote and did not want or expect Brexit to happen. Also a number who seem to have been taken in by Brexit propaganda eg the £350m & the millions about to arrive from Turkey. I would assume that many on the Remain side also would say that they believed some of the wilder claims made by Remain.

So if it were possible that for future elections there was much stricter control over the claims that parties make I think that would be good eg any financial claims have to be assessed by an independent body. That could then answer the claim from lots of voters that they wanted facts. It was wrong in this campaign that independent professionals had there assessments rubbished just because they provided assessments that Brexit did not like. We should be able to have unquestioned facts to help us. It would then be the responsibility of parties to explain how they would overcome what they deemed a negative assessment.

I've also long held the view that voting should be mandatory even if the voter can spoil their ballot paper as I don't think it's good that people are questioning this result. I'd call this the Wackawoo Law in honour of our forum member

I don't like the result but we should respect it.

I would have thought that the Parliamentary Commission would have looked into the claims both sides made throughout the campaign and stepped in if any claims made were not true and forced them to retract them. But at the same time I think both sides were guilty as sin of making exaggerating claims on many issues, but I would say Dodgy Dave's claims were perhaps the most exaggerated and I think the reason many voted leave as a protest vote along with what the media fed us about the EU as well I think this referendum has to go down as having been more bitter and probably the most outrageous political campaign than any other previous General election in the past few years. I still think a General Election has to be held, I'm not a fan of Dodgy Dave allowing whoever replaces him becomes PM. it's too much like Tony Blair's handover to Gordon Brown to me. We the public should be given that right to have our say in that particular act. And forget campaigning on other issues for me who will negotiate BREXIT best for this country has to be he only issue in any snap election.

A very statesmanlike speech by Nicola Sturgeon this morning, or perhaps that should be stateswomanlike. Cometh the hour, cometh the woman. The Scottish government will enter into immediate discussions with EU institutions to explore all options to protect Scottish membership of EU, and in the meantime the Scottish Cabinet has formally agreed to take steps to prepare for a second independence referendum.

this still makes me laugh



Was after footage of Farage dismissing the 350 million to the NHS claim on GMB yesterday morning

(24-06-2016 15:28 )HEX!T Wrote:  

(24-06-2016 13:09 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(24-06-2016 13:07 )terence Wrote:  the sad thing for me is the fact that 17.4 million people have decided such a monumental thing for a population of over 65 million.

as a rule anything that makes nigel farage happy, we should all do the complete opposite. just common sense imo.

Clearly it wasn't just about farage, I doubt many poeple like him, as the last election showed.

i cant stand the guy. he and his ilk are bigoted, racist nitwits who campaingned on lies and fearmongering.

yet i voted leave.
why?

SNIP

the TTIP. a deal that was made behind closed doors because it would be rejected if the public ever found out its contents before it was ratified.

SNIP

That would be the same TTIP that the Tories are 'champing at the bit' to sign up to?

TTIP will never get thru both Clinton and Trump are against it anyway and most of EU are against it

(24-06-2016 21:06 )William H Bonney Wrote:  

(24-06-2016 20:43 )babelover48 Wrote:  latest odds?

Boris Johnson 4/6
Theresa May 2/1 or 3/1
Michael Gove around 5/1
Priti Patel between 10/1 and 16/1
Andrea Leadsom 12/1
Liam Fox between 12/1 and 25/1
Stephen Crabb between 16/1 and 20/1
Sajid Javid 20/1
Philip Hammond 20/1

And I thought the US Election was a case of 'least worst option'!

I do think people should calm down and stop being hysterical, I've never understood the stock markets where one person sneeze and the world goes into depression. There is absolutley no difference at the moment today from wenesday. UK is still a full memeber of the EU and will be for a while, all this hysteria in the markets is base on nothing more than what may or may not happen.

All those trade agreements will be renigotiated it is up to the rest of the EU whether they want to carry on business as usual and not be too hard on Britian or DELIBERATLY WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO be hard on Britian to teach the rest of the EU countires a lesson and do has Germany and France order or this is the consequences.

The finantial experts in America where saying this is not so much a finantial thing but a political on, once it gets over the shock ofit all every thing should recover - as long as there isn't a ripple effect.

I hope the rest of the EU see just how desperate Cameroon tried to stay in EU, how alot of the experts and so on adviced and pretty much how close the vote was and take the more lenient option, after all, Germany and France will both now get more from the EU coffers now that the UK is not taking it's percentage.

Trade CAN go on (it does with other none EU countries), immigration WILL still happen (but at a more controled rate), any existing laws that are in place at the moment that have been put in place whilste in the EU or even directed by the EU can remain on the statute books if they are beneficial to the UK or people of the UK, others can be changed as and when.

NATO provides the security for Europe of which the UK is a perninant memeber; I'd be amazed if any country in most of the world had information of a terrorist threat and wouldn't share it, that would be nonsense.

The rest of the EU might look upon it that the UK was only half reluctantly in in the first place and wanted to keep far too much of there own souvereinty to make it fully work; bit like a bad child who's better off leaving home.

(25-06-2016 12:16 )Scots Napoleon Wrote:  A very statesmanlike speech by Nicola Sturgeon this morning, or perhaps that should be stateswomanlike. Cometh the hour, cometh the woman. The Scottish government will enter into immediate discussions with EU institutions to explore all options to protect Scottish membership of EU, and in the meantime the Scottish Cabinet has formally agreed to take steps to prepare for a second independence referendum.

Coming across like a turncoat to me, it's better here we are your frieds; er nor ok, it's better off here we are your friends.

Bit like a woman ditching a man when he's run out of money to go to the one they think has more.

there's a huge amount of Scots live and work in England, she should think about that.

(25-06-2016 12:16 )Scots Napoleon Wrote:  The Scottish government will enter into immediate discussions with EU institutions to explore all options to protect Scottish membership of EU

Let's think about this. Scotland already has its own parliament, own government, own legal system, why can't it have its own membership of the EU?

Even if Scotland remains within the UK, why can't it also remain a member of the EU, even if England leaves the EU?

Scotland has autonomy, so why can't it make a decision to stay within the EU, regardless of what England wants to do?