Human Rights

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I've always supported the idea of Human Rights,but this is just ludicrous,in my eyes this man is a Murderer as he left poor Amy Houston to die,now we are going to support him through our Benefit system,our goverment need to grow a pair and send him home,he is a failed asylum seeker what is he doing here.

This story and the almost certainly heavily politicised slant The Daily Mail would put on it would only make me angry. Thankfully, I never got to see it, on account of this fantastic Firefox add on. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox...ten-block/

Kitten Block! Making the world a nicer place, one news link at a time.

Two things - I wasn't aware of this story prior to it coming up on this thread, so my knowledge of it is based entirely on what Der Sturmer tells me through its article. And, as Mister Gummidge rightly pointed out, Der Sturmer is a heavily-politicised paper with a habit of using scare-mongering, paranoid exaggerations or distortions of the truth in order to swing its readership round to its way of thinking. Which is why I don't normally read it.
Secondly, I have to confess that during my time as a motor insurance claims handler I got a rude awakening as to the true demographic balance of uninsured drivers and fraudulent claimants. And, as a result, anything I say will make me look like an utter racist and I find that deeply uncomfortable. Which is one of the key reasons I left the industry; after too many conversations with five members of the same family(?) all of whom stated "Yes, the car is mine... yes it's my car... well, no it's my cousin *name deleted*s car but I'm just borrowing it...No I was not driving... no... oh yes, I was driving it that day... yes I'm insured... well it should be insured... no but it's fully comp... oh, it's not?... I thought it was... but I'm allowed... I did stop... no, I did and we both decided it wasn't worth worrying about... no, I cannot understand why the person would say that I didn't stop... no, I was giving a friend a lift... oh, his name?...um, it was...uhhh.... he's a cousin.... he was just going to the cinema, I think... yes, right across town... no I don't know his name right now, but if you give him a call he'll tell you..." - yeah. I felt kinda dirty, suspecting the truth, but at best only ever being able to say with certainty "You were not covered to drive, sir, and I'm going to have to refer the matter to a senior colleague, who will contact you in due course".

Such topics as this are far too contentious and sensitive for me to discuss in-depth on this forum... I'll leave that to someone else.

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For those that can't bring themselves to read the fascist press, this from The Guardian's Michael White:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/...man-rights



"...... Mohammed Ibrahim. He is the 33-year-old failed asylum seeker and persistent offender who ran over and killed Amy Houston, 12, then ran away and left her under the wheels of a car he was not entitled to drive.

This happened in 2003. Ibrahim, who served a modest four months for driving while disqualified and leaving the scene of an accident, has been fighting deportation to his native Iraq on and off ever since. Yesterday, immigration judges in Manchester finally ruled against the UK Border Agency in his favour: he can stay.

How did Ibrahim get away with it, despite a string of other convictions – harassment, persistent driving offences, possession of cannabis, cautions for theft and burglary? Because since 2003 he had managed to father two children by a British woman, and deportation would breach his human rights under article 8 (1) of the ECHR, which you can read here.

UKBA's lawyers said in court that his self-portrait as a caring family man was pretty thin. Amy's father, Paul Houston, told the judges that any rights the offender may have acquired here – he was never granted asylum, but not deported either – were outweighed by his own family rights, destroyed when he agreed to switch off his daughter's life-support machine.

Harrowing stuff. The Mail is pretty cross about this and I expect most of us can see why. As a bonus it is also cross with David Cameron, who wrote a letter to Houston, 41, in January this year tying the case to Labour's 1998 Human Rights Act (HRA), which incorporates the ECHR into domestic law so its precepts can be applied without having to go to the Strasbourg court.

"We will replace it with a British bill of rights," promised Cameron, who said it would incorporate the ECHR but balance rights and responsibilities rather better. Since then he's discovered it's all a bit tricky – that's certainly what attorney general Dominic Grieve thinks – and kicked it into the long legal grass via a review. Don't hold your breath for long.

There's always context to be considered when feelings run high – especially in a week when we have been horrified to watch would-be refugees and victims of exploitative people smugglers drowning as their boat floundered off an Australian island.

Parliament's human rights committee offers some context here about the need to respect the rights of asylum seekers. Its report strikes me as a bit shifty about the extent to which many such applicants are really economic migrants seeking a better life – not in fear of persecution or worse.

The Mail rattles off assorted rascals who have used ECHR and the HRA to escape proper retribution – which must surely include deportation. Abu Hamza, Abu Qatada, assorted murderers and rapists, including Learco Chindamo, the youth who killed headteacher Phillip Lawrence but avoided deportation, even though his home was Italy. Cameron took a firm line on that case too – in opposition.

But let's stick to Ibrahim, who arrived here hidden in the back of a truck in 2001 – that's before the Iraq war, by the way. I can't see that we have any undischarged obligations to him. He never obtained any right to live here, has repeatedly misbehaved and apparently doesn't speak much English – albeit enough to get women pregnant.

The Houston family have rights and feelings too. Send him home."

i dont get that, a guy i know knocked down a woman in the medowell estate and did a runner from the scene. he got 14 years i think...

(29-01-2011 01:41 )Krill Liberator Wrote:  Two things - ...
Secondly, I have to confess that during my time as a motor insurance claims handler I got a rude awakening as to the true demographic balance of uninsured drivers and fraudulent claimants. And, as a result, anything I say will make me look like an utter racist and I find that deeply uncomfortable. Which is one of the key reasons I left the industry;...
Such topics as this are far too contentious and sensitive for me to discuss in-depth on this forum... I'll leave that to someone else.

If you said "racial group X is genetically/socially predisposed to crime" that would make you racist.

Saying "racial group X is overrepresented in low income deprived backgrounds for whatever reason, and people from those backgrounds are more likely to commit crime including uninsured driving" would be non-racist. Poor education. Social stress. High unemployment. Discrimination. Drug taking related to these. All non controversial associations with crime and no automatic link to race.

But agreed its uncomfortable to feel you might be racist, let alone to be accused of it, and good on you for deciding it was time to change jobs rather than accept it.

And yes, this forum probably isnt the best place for these discussions, but ones that focus on them are full of nutters and flame wars.

Eccles Wrote:And yes, this forum probably isnt the best place for these discussions, but ones that focus on them are full of nutters and flame wars.

And this one isn't? I've had contact with at least a half a dozen separate individuals I'd classify as raving nutbars, and that's just the ones I like.

(29-01-2011 01:41 )Krill Liberator Wrote:  Secondly, I have to confess that during my time as a motor insurance claims handler I got a rude awakening as to the true demographic balance of uninsured drivers and fraudulent claimants.

6 out of 10 drivers in Bradford are said to be uninsured.

Figures aren't racist