Babestation : Freeview vs Sky

(08-07-2010 16:02 )babestation Wrote:  its not my place (or yours really) to speak about our licenses

Why not? Are they some sort of secret?

(08-07-2010 16:02 )babestation Wrote:  you will know yourself that the levels on sky have been pushed ever further in the past year or so, you just need to look at the daytime shows for evidence of that. - - - > when we launched on sky back in 2002, we weren't doing what we were doing today, everything has to start somewhere and hopefully grow.. we haven't been around for 8 years for nothing

I can't disagree with that, but you are highlighting the very point I'm trying to make. Babestation has indeed been a pioneer of what is acceptable to be shown on these channels, but that is exactly my point. The level of what is acceptable to be displayed on our tv screens has already been established, so there's no reason Freeview should not come up to that standard. Sure, the levels on Sky have been pushed, but other channels have pushed them higher than Babestation just recently (and, ok, some went too far) so even if Freeview BS was the same as Sky BS it would still be milder than a lot of what is shown on Sky.

One aspect that really baffles me is why the level on Freeview fluctuates so much. When the channel numbers were re-arranged at the end of September 2009 Freeview instantly went up to virtually Sky standard. That lasted only a week, maybe less, before it was knocked back down to way below what it had been before the channel re-numbering. Then in November it surged up again but later was once more brought down. These ups and downs have continued to take place ever since - it's a constant roller coaster.

Another puzzle is that the periodic taming of Freeview sometimes (possibly always?) coincides with an increase in the strength of material on Sky. Unless the lack of opportunity to see Sky content on the web stream or forum posts over the last few months has put me vastly out of touch, there's been an increase in the amount of sexual simulation now permitted on BS's Sky show lately, if a few recent forum posts are anything to go by (Dani/Tammy 2-4-1, Karina solo). At the same time, the girl/girl sessions on Freeview have for the most part descended to the level of farce. Compare the Dani/Tammy 2-4-1 in Sky a few nights ago with the Linsey/Lolly effort the same night on Freeview. Chalk and cheese, or rather cheese and chalk. Dani and Tammy's h/j, b/j and cum-swallowing simulations were the most prolonged and graphic I've ever seen on these channels and I'm sure would never be allowed on Freeview in the current climate, but why should Freeview simultaneously be dumbed down from its previous existing strength?

In the past, when Karina has gone nude on Freeview her 'landing strip' (for want of a better term) has been unashamedly on display but last night every time she turned onto her back the camera moved so that nothing below her waist was visible except for a few fleeting instances when changing position. The censorship on occasions like that is so obvious it becomes intrusive and completely spoils the show.

A very similar set of circumstances happened exactly a year ago. In July 2009 Freeview content had been slowly improving until it became evident from the pre-Freeview web stream that there was a significant increase in the strength of the Sky show (the studio had apparently been told they could step things up a bit). At the same time as this was happening, the Freeview content suddenly started to get tamer again. It seems that every time the Sky show gets a bit stronger, the Freeview show is knocked back a bit before being allowed to start progressing again.

(08-07-2010 16:27 )Rogerbee Wrote:  One doesn't make it balanced.

And the rest of my post . . . ?

(08-07-2010 16:42 )mr mystery Wrote:  and hope one day you will get to see a full strength show earlier than midnight.

I would like to see a full strength show on Freeview at any time, before or after 12am. At the moment we don't get a full strength show at all.

we'd all like to see a full strength show on freeview, but i've explained the reasoning behind why you're not at the moment

you do realise you are receiving the same feeds as Sky on Freeview. It is the same studio output, just with different graphics. Sky 906 is shown on Freeview 96 for the hour, before continuing on 94 when BS Xtreme kicks in at 12am. The only difference is where partyland finishes at 1am on freeview and carries on on Sky etc. We buy airtime off other channels to facilitate us being on freeview, and therefore have to fit in with what they want their license being used for

Boom, boom!

(08-07-2010 17:44 )babestation Wrote:  we'd all like to see a full strength show on freeview, but i've explained the reasoning behind why you're not at the moment

you do realise you are receiving the same feeds as Sky on Freeview. It is the same studio output, just with different graphics. Sky 906 is shown on Freeview 96 for the hour, before continuing on 94 when BS Xtreme kicks in at 12am. The only difference is where partyland finishes at 1am on freeview and carries on on Sky etc. We buy airtime off other channels to facilitate us being on freeview, and therefore have to fit in with what they want their license being used for

Yes we all realise that Sky and Freeview feeds are the same apart from the graphics (MUCH TOO BIG ON BS1 FREEVIEW!!!) but what we Freeviewers are really annoyed about is that on all the shows (even Partyland!) before Freeview starts and often JUST after 10.00pm girls;Camilla,Jada,Michelle...are often completely naked and yet we have to wait until midnight on Freeview! As has been said the rules are the same for every tv channel (Sky or Freeview) so why are Freeview being deprived from the Sky levels of show again;its just like the "bad old days" again which I (we) thought had gone at last! Certainly the Freeview shows have improved BUT are variable from day to day and show to show! WHY?? I think we deserve some answers please!

Paging Babestation!

(08-07-2010 20:02 )Rogerbee Wrote:  Paging Babestation!

YES PLEASE;I think its their shout now!

At least there won't be so much to argue about after 1st September, when there will be nothing before midnight on Freeview anyway.

Moan threads piss me off, if I could get away from them I would....

(08-07-2010 00:11 )vila Wrote:  

(07-07-2010 23:44 )mr mystery Wrote:  

(07-07-2010 23:12 )Mastes1 Wrote:  You guys with Sky are lucky, its shit for us freeview viewers.

I have to agree with you there , i am lucky enough to have Sky and i got to see Camilla totally naked tonight just after 10pm on BS1 , us Sky viewers used to have to wait till after 12 am before we could see naked girls on BS1 because of OFCOM's discrimination towards freeview and their no nudity rule before 12am on freeview .

Ofcom's Participation TV Consultation document clearly stated that BS's Freeview channels are not subject to the Broadcasting Code as they are licensed in Holland, not the UK.

What evidence is there that Ofcom are responsible for BS's continuing anti-Freeview discrimination? (Which isn't limited to the nudity issue.)

(08-07-2010 05:46 )vila Wrote:  

(08-07-2010 01:12 )mr mystery Wrote:  I have not see any evidence that OFCOM are responsible for the freeview discrimination , i just took it for granted that they were responsible , if it is not them it must be the licence granted in Holland that must be at fault , maybe nudity is not allowed till after midnight on a Dutch 16 cert freeview licence , can't see Cellcast discriminating against Freeview unless they are ordered to by the powers that be , then again they have just sold the 10-11 BS1 hour that they used to have on channel 96 "AL Jazeera"tv freeview channel89 so anything is possible.

As I said, it isn't just nudity that's curtailed on BS's Freeview shows, but more of that later in another place.

The unknown quanity for me is the licensing of BS's Sky channels. Are they also licensed in Holland? If not, why not?

I've always been under the impression that the Dutch rules about these things are much more liberal than ours. They certainly are in regard to sex and pornography in general, and have been for many years. Besides, I can't see why any babe channel would license itself somewhere that has stricter rules than the UK, thereby deliberately putting itself at a disadvantage in the market - sounds like financial suicide to me. Come to that, I can't imagine anywhere in Western Europe actually having stricter rules than the UK in the first place.

There is some confusion about this (it is OFCOM after all)...

My understanding is that regardless of where any channel/company is licensed, if they want to broadcast officially on UK platforms like Sky & Freeview, then they are subject to OFCOM, BBFC, and if you're offering premium rate services, PhonepayPlus (ICSTIS) regulations.

(08-07-2010 19:44 )Big Boobies Wrote:  Yes we all realise that Sky and Freeview feeds are the same apart from the graphics (MUCH TOO BIG ON BS1 FREEVIEW!!!) but what we Freeviewers are really annoyed about is that on all the shows (even Partyland!) before Freeview starts and often JUST after 10.00pm girls;Camilla,Jada,Michelle...are often completely naked and yet we have to wait until midnight on Freeview! As has been said the rules are the same for every tv channel (Sky or Freeview) so why are Freeview being deprived from the Sky levels of show again;its just like the "bad old days" again which I (we) thought had gone at last! Certainly the Freeview shows have improved BUT are variable from day to day and show to show! WHY?? I think we deserve some answers please!

i don't know how i can say it in any other way to be honest

we are lucky to be on freeview, we aren't going to jeopardise our position on freeview, therefore sky may have slightly stronger content on the hours outside of freeview viewing

crazy thought, if it bothers you THAT much, you can get sky for less than £20 a month now