Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

Good old Stu, champion of the working man. Tell me, where were you when Cadbury went to Poland? Where were you when Peugeot closed Ryton and moved to Slovakia. Where were you when Black & Decker and Hoover moved to the Czech Republic?

Where were you when my Brother In Law was made redundant after 20 years service due to " lack of orders" only to see his former employer rise again like a Phoenix from the flames staffed by an Army of minimum wage Romanians?

People like you make me sick. You sit on your high horse moaning about the consequences of "Brexit" when the reality is that the kind of people you've spent the last 4 years whining about have actually been living for years with the consequences of being part of your beloved EU.

A salty remainer reiterating all the bullshit from MSM
Would rather take orders from Brussels than Westminster.

Same tired old Leave deflection clichés

I'm sure we could do this all day, if we had nothing better to do

The difference being you wont find me copy and pasting all the bullshit I've read about how great Brexit is. Working it up everyone's arse because you all got it so wrong. Nah, I am arrogant but even I have a few moral boundaries.

You don't want to discuss how Brexit is going, fine.

But it's interesting you still feel the need to try and shut down those that do...

Are you being serious

This thread is full of Remainers and all their whiffy posts.
You lot have been in here for the last 4 years tickling each others nether regions.

Don't let me get in the way.

Carry on, more copy and paste please.

It's the losing side's prerogative to moan forevermore. It's the way of the world

4 years down the line, speeding unimpeded towards full brexit, with leave posterboys Boris and Gove at the wheel I thought you might've sounded a bit more secure about the choice you made.

(13-07-2020 09:08 )Bandwagon Wrote:  The difference being you wont find me copy and pasting all the bullshit I've read about how great Brexit is.

it'll be fine.

Well, contrary to popular Remainer beliefs, when I voted for Brexit, I didn't suddenly start sending Boris and co love letters.

We might still be stuck with them had the vote gone the other way, so.......

Here's where they went wrong though, they should have given you a call, The Silent Majority, so you could run the country from your arm chair

I take my hat off to you Tumble_Drier, it takes real balls to come on here & embarrass yourself with these weak arguments that anyone could unravel.

First of all businesses moving to other countries is not indicative of being in The EU, businesses around the world are moving to other countries, predominantly for cheaper labor the world over. The rust belt in the United States has suffered from businesses moving from the USA to Asia, is that The EU's fault? No. Ship Building has suffered in many British cities, such as my hometown of Glasgow, because they have been unable to compete with Asian countries like Japan. Is that The EU's fault? No. The reality is that those businesses didn't move because The EU was screwing Britain over they moved because the owners wanted to maximize their profits & if they were not able to do that in Poland, Slovakia & the Czech Republic they would of done it in China or Singapore or Thailand.

Second of all, I have worked in the hospitality industry for the last 12 years, we have a high turnover of staff. In that time we have probably employed hundreds of EU & non-EU migrants and we did not pay them a penny less, there are laws against it. You're brother did not lose his job because of The EU, he lost his job because his employer was a bastard. You said he opened up with an army of minimum wage Romanians he could of opened up with an army of minimum wage anybody, regardless of nationality, including Brits.

It should also be noted that while Nigel Farage, the Brexiteer Pied Piper & the right wing tabloids like to go on about Romanian & Bulgarians coming to the country (to the point that he stated the combined population of the countries to be 2m higher than it actually is) that out of the three EU27 nations most represented in The UK 2 of them are Western European nations, Germany & Ireland, that have higher wage structures that are competitive with The UK.

In fact it is well documented by numerous studies that EU migration has had a minimal affect on wages of UK residents, low wage jobs have been affected more but the people who are most likely to suffer these adverse affects are residents who are migrants themselves because migrants are more likely to be employed in low wage jobs than British born citizens. Fortunately The European Union is aware of even these minimal affects and they have done something about it. It's called Free Movement of People & it allows EU citizens to go where the money goes. In the past when money moved seamlessly across borders, as it always has, the people were left behind, now thanks to Free Movement if the money goes elsewhere the people can go with it, which is why 1.3m Brits live across The EU. Unfortunately 17.4m people decided that they didn't like being equal to money & that we should go back to money having more rights than us.

You cited the people that have had to live with the consequences of The EU for years but again that is in complete ignorance of the facts that poll after poll has shown that the main reason for wanting to leave The EU was immigration & a sense of nationalism. In fact a poll by Lord Ashcroft showed that only 6% of respondents said that they voted leave because they thought the UK economy would benefit more.

People have not been left behind because of The EU's impact on this country, they have been left behind by automation & because The UK has rapidly moved towards a service based economy that requires expensive higher education for the best paid jobs that are also disproportionally located in major cities resulting in a great migration to these urban packed areas & affluent suburbs. EU migrants are not in these jobs as much as they are low paid ones, you really think Romanians & Bulgarians have cheated the working classes out of earning their fortunes in fruit picking ?

What you have done is that you have taken tabloid propaganda mixed with an anecdotal experience, adding 1 plus 1 and getting 3. I might be up on my high horse but at least I can count

What makes me sick is that Brexiteers want to live in a world where their actions don't have consequences, where you can just put an X in a box and bugger off with your fingers in your ears chanting "nah nah nah nah, I can't hear you" not caring about what happens. They are lucky that voting is a right because if it was based on merit they wouldn't have it.