US Election & Presidency

Trump better not hear that someone called Doris has let off a weatherbomb here or he will be banning all doris's from entering the country

^ American have their own Doris Day

(23-02-2017 13:53 )SecretAgent Wrote:  The man is a liar.

(23-02-2017 13:46 )skully Wrote:  First of all LGBT is not a trend

You seem to have manipulated what I have said. When did i say LGBT was a trend? I didn't. I said heterosexual people (mostly women) thinking that LGBT is the most fashionable thing there is is a trend. The woman who clamber for a 'gay best friend' as if they are fashion accesories is a trend, programs like big brother and 'on the side' where it's compulsory to have gay people or be highly camp is a trend, TV programs in general having a gay person is a trend; this aweful fad of a lot of 'gay' people being ultra camp, that too is a trend which, to me, is putting gay issues back 50 years. Being gay is just being a person who happens to go out with the same sex. Being uber camp simply did not exist even 15 years ago, except on TV (julian clarey, Larry Greyson etc) Have you ever notice that no females act like screaming queens carrying box sets of musicals around under their arms?

There is a reason for that.

Quote:You and your twisted logic, nightmare, you said ''a bloke claiming to be transgender'', when at its core this is about children (school age teens) who live as/identify as trans, big difference to what you're implying. This is about both sexes identifying as the other, not male creeps trying to con people so they can perve on girls in showers and bogs, these people should be treated with respect and need protected from the kind of people who try to force them into being the gender they were born, rather than the one they feel/identify as.

You seem to think these things are black and white.

The use of the toilets is for anybody who claims to be transgender, it is not age specific. That fact you state it is aimed at 'children'/teens is even more of a problem with them being more vunerable. What if a teacher at the school claimed to be transgender and needed to go to the toilet? would they be discriminated due to their age? and it IS a claim. How many people clamied to be transgender 10, 15, 20 years ago and more? as oppose to now it's more in the media? course they be some spin about the enligtened ones, but you simply didn't hear about it back than, it existed, but it was incredibly rare. In addition, teens are generally mixed up, going through fads and crazes that makes it's exceptionally very difficult to know who is genuine and who is caught up in a trend; even though they can fully believe they are TG, they might not be; and that could lead to some very very serious problems indeed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgende...ssexuality

Quote:A study of Swedes estimated a ratio of 1.4:1 trans women to trans men for those requesting sex reassignment surgery and a ratio of 1:1 for those who proceeded.[106] The causes of transsexuality have been studied for decades.

You need to think about just what's involved here. You tell me what it is that makes some one transgender? Is it biological? genetic? emotional? hormonal? phsychriatic? Even with post op TG, they normally claim that they 'FEEL like an x traped inside an z body', there are some theories, but nobody really knows.

Quote:Brock the captain of the football team came out as trans, he wasn't really, but said it so he could shower with the girls, whether they liked it or not. This is what the media (certain media) are trying to push as a reason against it, when in fact the only issue is the facilities. If a school has a trans student, they will know if it's legit or not, it is obvious and easily fact checked with family and a doctor. Toilets have stalls with doors, shower times can be arranged, it's not difficult. Using the disabled toilet is disrespectful as being transgender isn't a disability and it's not a life style choice, it's who they are.

You're are not seeing the woods for the trees here, THAT IS EXACTLY what that law allows for, your too busy trotting out what you have learnt at school over TG issue to fully understand the implications.

There are alternatives, ie disabled toilets, you tried to manipulate what I have said there as well, I never once said it was a disability but it IS a practicle solution, not ideal one, but a compromise, if TG have such a problem using male or female toilets. Tell me something, what if it was females going into male toilets? still with a womans body, can you not possibly see a problem there either?

Do you think any prejudice that might happen will go away by letting a fully biological males enter female toilets and visa versa? There's a whole heap of problems that could go down, not just the females who don't feel comfortable with it (apparently irrelavant) but TG people can be opening themsleves to more not less abuse and accusation.

Quote:It's not men in drag!

I have never used the word drag, don't state things i haven't. Heterosexual men do dress up as woman, it's called cross dressing. You have already given an example of how the law could be abused.

Now remember, I have a degree in biology and chemistry and a gold star sister with her associate partners and friends, I pretty much know a little bit about it and my sympathies are firmly with the LGBT community. You and Munch are playing the pc game, (look how you write about it, it's like you have lifted that from a TG manifesto), in this instance (especially munch) finding something to hook on to pretty much to try and score brownie points over me; the transgender thing wasn't even the main point of the thread.

Quote:If you don't want your views challenged, stop posting here, or at least proof read your posts and think about how others will react.
Oh and I and the other moderators will thank any post we want, as we are allowed to have an opinion. We are members as well as mods.

I have no problems with people challangng my views, as long as they are actually the point of the post being challanged, this is where by far the majority of problems come from. My post was about the 'fair media' vilifying Trump over revoking a law that could be open to all sorts of abuse, you people have changed it into a spat about TG rights (queue accusation of homophobia from some quaters), jumping on the pc bandwagon, trying to finger wag at a person who has been (though mostly heterosexual) associated with that world for 35 years and more. Starting in a world that was extremely hostile to LGBT. So if you REALLY want to challange me over gay issue be my guest.

Yes, you can have your point, (and this is more than welcome from my point of view) but that also means people should be able to point out problems and bias with your post too. Admin and mods, if they want to get involved should expect and accept they they too can be critized. They should not be treated as being special and nobody should critize anyhting they say, or point out side taking, which seems to be the jist of it with one of your mods at the moment. I'm not the only one that's noticed this, I've had pm's that have noticed it too.

There use to be a Admin with a spider has the avata, that admin rarely got involved with anything and for me personally, and from my days has a mod, that is right. With all the best will in the world you cannot mod a place objectively by deffinition if you are talking sides.

(23-02-2017 13:53 )SecretAgent Wrote:  In the the election campaign Trump was explicitly asked if Caitlyn Jenner (Bruce Jenner) would be allowed to use any toilet in Trump Tower. He said yes. He also repeatedly said he backed LGBT rights. Of course that was when he wanted their votes.

The man is a liar.

What other LGBT rights has he not backed?

The toilet issues is contentious and alot of people do not agree with it, not just 'bible bashers' (that phrase initself is prejudice) as someone claimed.

(23-02-2017 14:39 )HannahsPet Wrote:  he doesnt give a shit either way bet this is a way to keep the bible bashers happy so they support on stuff he cares about such as budget and other financial stuff

remember one of th southern states tried to do something similar and gave in because a lot of the big companies from the state were saying they would pull out of the state

Yeah it was South Carolina I believe. One of his next targets will be Planned Parenthood funding so he can restrict abortions within the USA. Remember in one interview last year he said women who had abortions should be punished before he subsequently pulled back from that statement. He's already banned funding any overseas aid programmes that support abortions for women.

(23-02-2017 15:36 )wackawoo Wrote:  What other LGBT rights has he not backed?

Give him time - it's known that there are some draft executive orders being considered although they may not be signed. Pence opposed every single Pro Gay law when he was a Indiana Governor. Mattis opposed having gays in the Army. Tillerson opposed same sex marriage rights when he was at Exxon. Trump has already said he might appoint judges to overturn laws on same sex marriage and is on record as saying he doesn't believe in it.

(23-02-2017 15:53 )SecretAgent Wrote:  Give him time - it's known that there are some draft executive orders being considered although they may not be signed. Pence opposed every single Pro Gay law when he was a Indiana Governor. Mattis opposed having gays in the Army. Tillerson opposed same sex marriage rights when he was at Exxon. Trump has already said he might appoint judges to overturn laws on same sex marriage and is on record as saying he doesn't believe in it.

All those would be his downfall.

One thing foreigners from hostile countries and these here Mexicans, another full out white American citizans.

Despite popular belief, most Christians are not anti gay or homophobic, just the extremists.

(23-02-2017 15:36 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(23-02-2017 13:53 )SecretAgent Wrote:  In the the election campaign Trump was explicitly asked if Caitlyn Jenner (Bruce Jenner) would be allowed to use any toilet in Trump Tower. He said yes. He also repeatedly said he backed LGBT rights. Of course that was when he wanted their votes.

The man is a liar.

What other LGBT rights has he not backed?

The toilet issues is contentious and alot of people do not agree with it, not just 'bible bashers' (that phrase initself is prejudice) as someone claimed.

its not really contentious only to morons who think Transexuals are deviants who will molest there kids

Everyone deserves to be treated with respect and dignity.