Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(28-01-2017 10:52 )babelover48 Wrote:  The chief EU negotiator has claimed that 'UK could be given a fast track back into EU@ after Brexit

Now why would he even think we want to go back to what is likely to become a sinking ship?

Don't you think all this talk of fast track back and being hard on Britian is more indicitive of just HOW important Britian is/ was to the EU?

Him saying we will particularly hard on the UK up and above the treatment of the rest of the world, merely to 'punish' the UK, surely that has to be illegal some where.

I wonder what court you could take that too.

(28-01-2017 11:56 )Charlemagne Wrote:  ^ He also wants a “special” relationship with the City of London to avoid financial instability within the EU after Britain has left the bloc.

The remarks hint at concern among senior Brussels policymakers about the damaging consequences of Brexit for the continent if Europe’s biggest financial centre is cut adrift.

Nice barganing chip, all because they insist freedom of movement is essential when it clearly isn't.

Remoaners seem more and more like those Japanese soldiers who refused to believe the war was over and 'fought' on into the 1950s. Isolated, futile, and deluded.

(28-01-2017 13:14 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(28-01-2017 11:56 )Charlemagne Wrote:  ^ He also wants a “special” relationship with the City of London to avoid financial instability within the EU after Britain has left the bloc.

The remarks hint at concern among senior Brussels policymakers about the damaging consequences of Brexit for the continent if Europe’s biggest financial centre is cut adrift.

Nice barganing chip, all because they insist freedom of movement is essential when it clearly isn't.

freedom of movement is essential, it's the price you pay to be in the single market. smaller countries don't charge bigger countries tariffs, but you have to accept their citizens.
why would they let Britain into the single market without charging them 'freedom of movement'. it's nonsensical.

don't you think all the bigger countries would want to control their borders if the could. they obviously think (correctly imo) that freedom of movement is a price worth paying for membership and access to the worlds biggest free trading bloc..

Both India & Australia who have welcomed the idea of a trade deal with the UK have said they'd like greater Freedom of Movement as part of the deal. May is in Turkey today talking about a trade deal. I bet Erdogan will raise Freedom of Movement as well

Somehow I'm wondering if the referendum was worth it in the first place if we can't negotiate a deal after leaving without an agreement to freedom movement for other nations I don't think we would have a very good bargaining position and pushing through Brexit is going to be a lot harder than Mrs May thought once she triggers Article 50

wackawoo: "Are you telling me that Gina Miller is not an imigrant? that is, the woman born in Guyana, then British Guyana, is not an imigant into the UK? Nor the other person she bought the case with? I posted months ago that irony amused me."


My point, wackawoo, was that her being an immigrant (note how you spell that word as both of your stabs at it were incorrect!) has ZERO relevance to the validity of her bringing the case against the government except to a narrow minded fool like yourself. You simply stated that fact because you're a nasty piece of work.

Pertinent points:

1. She is a British citizen, as are many people regardless of where they happened to have been born.

2. She was RIGHT! By ruling in her favour the supreme court reaffirmed that parliament is sovereign and not the executive. She has done HER country a tremendous service!

3. You clearly, like many people of limited intelligence, do not fully grasp the concept of irony!

(28-01-2017 17:37 )Matt77 Wrote:  wackawoo: "Are you telling me that Gina Miller is not an imigrant? that is, the woman born in Guyana, then British Guyana, is not an imigant into the UK? Nor the other person she bought the case with? I posted months ago that irony amused me."


My point, wackawoo, was that her being an immigrant (note how you spell that word as both of your stabs at it were incorrect!) has ZERO relevance to the validity of her bringing the case against the government except to a narrow minded fool like yourself. You simply stated that fact because you're a nasty piece of work.

Pertinent points:

1. She is a British citizen, as are many people regardless of where they happened to have been born.

2. She was RIGHT! By ruling in her favour the supreme court reaffirmed that parliament is sovereign and not the executive. She has done HER country a tremendous service!

3. You clearly, like many people of limited intelligence, do not fully grasp the concept of irony!

I hope you don't include me in in that last comment!!

babelover48: I have no reason to believe that you do not understand the concept of irony. It wasn't a shot at all Brexiteers just the nasty piece of work that is wackawoo.

There are many cogent and principled arguments to leave the EU but I just believe that the potential pot of gold at the end of the Brexit rainbow is the stuff of fantasy and extreme wishful thinking. Unrestricted freedom of movement will likely be challenged within the EU itself as France, Germany, Italy and The Netherlands move significantly to the right one way or the other after their elections this year.

Britain is choosing an inopportune time to leave huge benefits of the single market. The notion that our salvation will be a bilateral free trade deal with the US is laughable. Trump is a volatile protectionist and whatever deal he might do with us would be heavily in the favour of the US as they will know how desperate we will be to clinch any trade deal as soon as possible after we've potentially fallen out of the EU with no deal, no transitional arrangements as a parachute and have to go straight to operating under WTO rules.

The line of thinking that we are cleverly leaving a sinking ship (the EU) at just the right time is also flawed. That sinking ship is so colossal that if it does go down the entire global economy will suffer a seismic shock (with us worse affected, being right on it's doorstep).

But never fear! If we do tumbled out of the single market, our own 3 musketeers are primed and ready to spring into action to speedily negotiate several bi-lateral trade deals, in record time, that will lead us into a new golden dawn of economic prosperity:

I give you,

David Davis, Liam Fox & Boris Johnson.

GOD HELP US ALL!

Enigma machines at the ready.... it won't be long now