Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(10-03-2016 12:25 )HEX!T Wrote:  absolutely no idea to be honest. neither side is putting forward a good argument to stay or go...

so in other words, it could be said that 'hexit don't know about no brexit'!

lol!

^ I suggest you make a sharp one after that gem mate!

(10-03-2016 12:39 )terence Wrote:  

(10-03-2016 12:25 )HEX!T Wrote:  absolutely no idea to be honest. neither side is putting forward a good argument to stay or go...

so in other words, it could be said that 'hexit don't know about no brexit'!

lol!

(10-03-2016 12:04 )babelover48 Wrote:  

(10-03-2016 02:13 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(09-03-2016 11:05 )gunnar Wrote:  This is a link to a map, which shows how eurosceptic different areas of the UK are. Not sure how accurate it is though.

https://yougov.co.uk/yougov-8545/

LOL, Derbyshire, close to median, yup, that will be about right then.

Hertfordshire mixed but leaning Eurosceptic? probably when you think about we have Grant Shapps as our MP that could be one reason why

Nah its prob full of farm workers being forced out by eastern european workers and the farmers who get big subsidys from the CAP

Interesting View point.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016...s-iceland/


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...atest.html

Quote:Iceland, which has been held up as one of the models for the UK in a potential post-Brexit world, has access to the EU's single market and is free to conduct bilateral trade deals around the world.

Five ways Brexit could impact investments:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored/fin...157497&utm

Looking at a lot of this stuff it boils down to if you believe that leaving the EU will produce long-term gains for this country because in the short term effects are almost certainly going to be a bit bleak.

And then, do you trust the politicians of this country not screw up the process of change to a worse outcome than the current situation we are in?

To my mind you need to be pretty certain on both those things before voting for 'out' in June.

Personally, I just can't see any likelihood of a great liberated future for a stand-alone UK in the modern world. We are not the USA, we are not China, we are not even Canada. We are not what we once were in this world. We are now simply a small island made up of a lot of service industries including, in particular, a globally respected financial centre.

Unfortunately in some respects, I think we need the EU in our future. Sticking with the known can be seen as the safer bet and that in itself my be unappealing to some. But the other option just seems like a shot in the dark to me.

I share the general suspicion of politicians but, in particular on this issue, I question the motives of the ones that line up to tell us we can do better on our own. When a post-Brexit resolution must be so far off, and with so many intangible factors awaiting along the way, I mistrust any who presents the solid conviction about the future that these guys do. I also question the jingoistic tabloids with macs fired up to make a quick buck off the processes of this referendum.

That said, I think this is a subject which is always going to have an amount of personal ideology attached to it. As such, I think we, and I definitely include myself in this, should be wary of only seeking out evidence on this topic which backs up our pre-existing thoughts and of interpreting all we see with a confirmation bias.

The dearth of clear-cut evidence on the topic seems to make the matter even worse and definitive long-term predictions on this one are certainly hard to come by... So, perhaps after all, ideology and gut instinct are always going to be the things to be listened to in cases like this.

so it sounds like the Innys look forward to a constant decline...until we slip under in future generations....

The Outies say...enoughs enough....lets turn things around..we are all more than capable...lets kick some arse...lets get a special relationship going with Trumpy boy

(10-03-2016 17:47 )wackawoo Wrote:  Interesting View point.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016...s-iceland/


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...atest.html

Quote:Iceland, which has been held up as one of the models for the UK in a potential post-Brexit world, has access to the EU's single market and is free to conduct bilateral trade deals around the world.

Iceland also pay dues to the EU (admittedly a third of what the UK pays http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-...he-EU.html ) and as part of Schegen allows free movement across it's borders to all EU citizens. In recent years Iceland has been taking more migrants per capita than the UK. There is also a higher rate of unemployment amongst immigrants in Iceland than there is in the UK: http://icelandreview.com/news/2015/05/29...nguage=en.

Jut thinking about it: -
Would the Queen or any of the Royals get a vote or not?

They are supposed to be seen as neutral, so even though they can, they are unlikely to.