Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(11-06-2016 17:10 )brummie Wrote:  And yet the leavers can say with absolute certainty that a golden utopia of countries desperate to trade with the UK are waiting in the wings?

No they can't claim this either. What can be claimed is it would be extremely unlikely they would stop trading with Britian.

Quote:Britain inside Europe is one of the worlds richest nations, doesn't mean it will be outside.

It does, how rich a country is is dependant on their own internal GNP.

The UK is contributing far more to the EU than the EU is contributing to the UK, by a long long way. UK even gets way less than the other big contributers.

The UK leaving the EU will cause a massive finantial strain on the other big EU contributers hence the desperation to keep the UK in and the scarmongering over trade.

The UK is even a world finantial centre all those aren't just goign to up sticks and move, that would cost too much, it could even be better in the long run, UK being completely independant may be quite attractive to foreign investors.

(11-06-2016 13:10 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(11-06-2016 11:06 )babelover48 Wrote:  you have proof?

You mean apart from on here and all the debates and a lot saying they find it difficult to make their minds up due to scaremongering rhetoric (both sides) and too little ACTUAL facts.

From what i see, you have three catogories, two that probably had their minds made up from the get go; those that want in and are convinced they are right and everybody else is just plain stupid for not thinking their way and Britian would go into melt down without the EU, those that think being out will be the land of milk and honey and johnny foreigner can go do one; then there are those, I suspect the majority, that are finding it very difficult to get a balanced opnion with real facts.

I suspect the difficulty is down to nobody REALLY knows, however convinced the in's and outs might think, you cannot predict the future


Tell you what, how about you personally make a post, from you to me (without everybody else jumping in) and list why you personally think being in is best for Britian; If then can't raise any objections or challange any of those points you have made, I will vote in.

let everybody put there list first mate I doubt if many can list anything tha make it worthwhile for us to stay in . but how can you be sure Poland put in far less than us, but get more back than us that was what I wanted proof of anyway I wasn't sure if that is correct....

(11-06-2016 10:44 )Bandwagon Wrote:  There seems to be quite a lot of posters in here that have already made up their mind as to whether they would like remain or leave Europe.
Can any of you provide a list of reasons that brought you to reach this decision?

1) Because it's bloody obvious.

Hope this helps

All this fuss over a referendum when they could have just asked Doddle.

That's that then

Nice



After manchester bombing Tories goverment of major gave 450k EU gave £ 21 million always thought that was the case

(11-06-2016 17:46 )babelover48 Wrote:  let everybody put there list first mate I doubt if many can list anything tha make it worthwhile for us to stay in . but how can you be sure Poland put in far less than us, but get more back than us that was what I wanted proof of anyway I wasn't sure if that is correct....

Thought not.

Many pages back on this thread I posted a link with the respective contributers/ recipients.

Off top of my head, Germany was the greatest contributer, followed by France, there my have been another, then the UK. All those above got half to over half back to what they contributed, the UK barely got 1 third. The biggest recipient, and it was by a vast, amount was poland.

(11-06-2016 21:28 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(11-06-2016 17:46 )babelover48 Wrote:  let everybody put there list first mate I doubt if many can list anything tha make it worthwhile for us to stay in . but how can you be sure Poland put in far less than us, but get more back than us that was what I wanted proof of anyway I wasn't sure if that is correct....

Thought not.

Many pages back on this thread I posted a link with the respective contributers/ recipients.

Off top of my head, Germany was the greatest contributer, followed by France, there my have been another, then the UK. All those above got half to over half back to what they contributed, the UK barely got 1 third. The biggest recipient, and it was by a vast, amount was poland.

was Germany France Italy then UK

Bout Time
Cameron threatening pensioners that they wont be safe guarded from any more cuts if they vote for brexit.

World war 3 will break out if we remain.
World war 3 will break out if we exit.

The economy will collapse if we remain.
The economy will collapse if we exit.

Unemployment will be worse if we remain.
Unemployment will be worse if we exit.

The NHS will suffer if we remain.
The NHS will suffer if we exit.

Security will be weaker if we remain.
Security will be weaker if we exit.

We are all doomed if we remain.
We are all doomed if we exit.

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So Shock announcment this morning Boris Dyes his hair NEver trust a person who dyes there hair or has none