Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

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stay in eu and be ruled by Brussels, pound being replaced the weak euro, no thanks. #voteleave we will be safer and stronger out of eu has we part of the five eyes in the intelligence services, UK USA Canada Australia New Zealand, look what happened in Belgium and France those attacks would have been stopped in the uk.

Yes the economy will suffer for a short period when trade deals are being sorted but in the long run it bounce back better than ever.

the negotations that dave Cameron did are not in a treaty therefore the eu can turn round and say we wont be getting them including ever closer union, the creation of united states of Europe with Brussels being the capital and the euro replacing the pound as our currency.

(09-06-2016 20:49 )SecretAgent Wrote:  .

I have no doubt you are sincere in your views as I am in mine.

Contrary to what most people think I'm still not absolutely certain, I want to make sure in my mind beyound reasonable doubt I'm voting the right way, for whats best for Britian.

How about this for the obvious, this is a huge huge vote, it might be the only ever time we get it i am strongly swaying to out, at one time I was certain, it was only, I think Hannahspet, that stated Europe only cost 1% of the GNP, the best case scenario of leaving was an increase of 2%, and the worse case a loss of 1% GNP, so it's much of a muchness, and being in MAY have some benefit.

It's just that all the yes arguments can be callanged quite comfortably, ie why can't the UK trade with europe, it use to, migration within the UK is an issue and needs controlling, UK setting their own laws, rules and regulations.

People just saying we are right you're dumb for thinking otherwise tends to make me think the yes campaign does struggle with solid, unchallanged reason. I expect that's why they have to use thrreats from america.

Hmmm Farage, Gallaway , Gove Boris and now

have to say liking sturgeon taking it to Boris tonight

Wackawoo I honestly think you misinterpret what the Remain camp say. ALL the UK & International bodies have said Remain makes more sense yet the Leave campaign simply say they are wrong without producing any facts about a post Brexit world other than lies about the amount of money we would save (an incorrect figure they've been warned not to use) & taking no account of the economic shock all the renowned experts believe will happen. The Conservative Government, Labour, SNP, Liberal Democrat Parties all advocate Remain. UKIP advocate Leave. Why do you think all those political parties and of course also the Trade Unions are on the Remain side?

my mum said the other day when the treasury issued that report about domesday if we leave and causing a shock to global financial markets then we are strong enough to stand alone outside the eu.

the maastricht treaty in 1992 was meant to be the start of united Europe in something similar to USA but countries like France and Germany didn't want to have their financial services and taxes to be set by the eu or ecb (European central bank). Lisbon treaty (eu constitution rejected by France and Holland) in 2008 has created the eu we have today. we never got the chance to vote on both treaties which led to so many things being handed over to Brussels where we don't get the chance to hold the eu to account like we do with the government and local mps at general elections every 5yrs. in that sense the eu is not democratic.

(09-06-2016 21:28 )SecretAgent Wrote:  Wackawoo I honestly think you misinterpret what the Remain camp say. ALL the UK & International bodies have said Remain makes more sense yet the Leave campaign simply say they are wrong without producing any facts about a post Brexit world other than lies about the amount of money we would save (an incorrect figure they've been warned not to use) & taking no account of the economic shock all the renowned experts believe will happen. The Conservative Government, Labour, SNP, Liberal Democrat Parties all advocate Remain. UKIP advocate Leave. Why do you think all those political parties and of course also the Trade Unions are on the Remain side?

International bodies should fuck off has this has got nothing to do with them. I take no fucking notice of what the likes of Obama, imf etc have to say on this referendum.

nobody really knows what remain or leave will be like in the next few years. if we do remain then we will see us being ever closer to the eu and one day being a state within the United States of Europe whether we like it or not.

(09-06-2016 21:35 )bigguy01 Wrote:  we don't get the chance to hold the eu to account like we do with the government and local mps at general elections every 5yrs. in that sense the eu is not democratic.

Apart from voting for Euro MPs every 5 years.

Quote:International bodies should fuck off has this has got nothing to do with them. I take no fucking notice of what the likes of Obama, imf etc have to say on this referendum.

They're the people we're supposed to be trading with if we Leave, so they're not that irrelevant.

Quote:nobody really knows what remain or leave will be like in the next few years. if we do remain then we will see us being ever closer to the eu and one day being a state within the United States of Europe whether we like it or not.

"Nobody really knows..." apart from you, conveniently

(09-06-2016 21:28 )SecretAgent Wrote:  Wackawoo I honestly think you misinterpret what the Remain camp say. ALL the UK & International bodies have said Remain makes more sense

Therein lies the point, they say it's much better to sstay, but in all these weeks I have not seen anything that can't be challanged. It's almost as if to say, well were in it, might as well stay in it.

Quote:The Conservative Government, Labour, SNP, Liberal Democrat Parties all advocate Remain

But this isn't fully the case, there is a division within these parties, whatever the offcial line may be.