Russian Invasion Of Ukraine - misinformation thread

(21-05-2022 07:29 )crankshaft Wrote:  RT is as autonomous as the BBC is

Or as Wikipedia puts it:

"RT has regularly been described as a major propaganda outlet for the Russian government and its foreign policy. Academics, fact-checkers, and news reporters (including some current and former RT reporters) have identified RT as a purveyor of disinformation and conspiracy theories."

(21-05-2022 11:16 )4waydiablo Wrote:  You falsely claimed that some of the dead were collaborators or suspected collaborators, but in fact none of them were. The dead civilians in Bucha had not been named as collaborators by anyone.

so far

Re: deaths in Bucha, yes, I said from the start I was of the opinion that Russia killed civilians in Bucha

Re: allegations against Azov Battallion and Ukrainian forces, this journalist (Eva Bartlett) has witnessed these events from the frontline & reported on them:
https://youtu.be/OzMLPSXb7RU

Without getting drawn into the specific claims and counter-claims, as someone who mostly taught themself about researching in pre-internet times, when I had to trawl a number of libraries for some things.. the only way to get the best approximation of truth and reality, is by looking at as many sources as possible, and cross-checking them.
Some Wikipedia pages do have that basis, whilst others are more narrowly based, and out of date.
I would hope that any worldly adult, of moderate intelligence, wouldn't presume that BBC, ITV, Guardian, New York Times, Wikipedia etc are completely free of their own corresponding limitations, as claimed about Russia Today.
The last major war in Europe, the Yugoslav one in the 1990s, would be a reference point for that, when different major international powers, and further different factions within them, were supporting different parts of the country, and that was reflected in respective media.

Some more of what I could say here, overlaps with this post from last November, in the Covid thread: https://www.babeshows.co.uk/showthread.p...pid2633616 which seems to have been read by only one person on the forum, not including the poster that followed, who after reading it, might also benefit from watching the series, 'Pornography: The Secret History of Civilisation', unless they're among a presumed minority on this forum who are hostile to porn..
Addendum: in which case, read this: https://www.babeshows.co.uk/showthread.p...pid2636223

(21-05-2022 22:16 )crankshaft Wrote:  this journalist (Eva Bartlett)

Even by crankshaft's standards this is pretty cheap. Eva Bartlett isn't a journalist and doesn't even claim to be. Only RT refer to her as a journalist and that's because she writes a blog for them.

Bartlett's best known for what Wikipedia calls a 'Syrian civil war disinformation video'. Her controversial claims in that video were found to be false by both Channel 4 News and Snopes fact checks.

I think it's fair to ask at this point how much lower crankshaft can sink. But by turning to someone known as an anti-western activist and conspiracy theorist he seems to be scraping the bottom of the barrel already.

(21-05-2022 20:20 )schvall Wrote:  

(21-05-2022 07:29 )crankshaft Wrote:  RT is as autonomous as the BBC is

Or as Wikipedia puts it:

"RT has regularly been described as a major propaganda outlet for the Russian government and its foreign policy. Academics, fact-checkers, and news reporters (including some current and former RT reporters) have identified RT as a purveyor of disinformation and conspiracy theories."

Wikipedia was never reliable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:...ble_source

(22-05-2022 00:07 )schvall Wrote:  by turning to someone known as an anti-western activist and conspiracy theorist he seems to be scraping the bottom of the barrel already.

The very bottom, because that video's nothing to do with Bucha anyway. It's about the Donbas.

I guess crankshaft's not fussy. Anything will do to try and recycle the false Bucha claims yet again.

(22-05-2022 00:07 )schvall Wrote:  by turning to someone known as an anti-western activist and conspiracy theorist he seems to be scraping the bottom of the barrel already.

Anyone who counters official narratives of particular issues are mocked as 'Conspiracy theorists'. In this case, I'd classify Eva Bartlett not as a 'conspiracy theorist', but a journalist who in her investigatory journalism is making speculations of potential conspiracies.

Saw this quote the other day about what a 'conspiracy theorist' means which made me laugh:
"Being a "conspiracy theorist" is spending endless hours for years and years gathering as much information as possible from as many resources as possible and critically thinking about what that information means then having people who do nothing but watch TV tell you you're crazy." (written by Just.A.Thought)

(22-05-2022 00:49 )BarrieBF Wrote:  That video's nothing to do with Bucha anyway.

didn't say it was

(22-05-2022 00:49 )BarrieBF Wrote:  I guess crankshaft's not fussy. Anything will do to try and recycle the false Bucha claims yet again.

Nope, as I said, Eva Bartlett is talking only about Azov Battallion and evidence of Ukrainian attacks on civilians in the Donbas. You are seemingly deliberately misinterpreting what I said with the same wilful dishonesty as a tabloid newspaper journalist

I said:
Re: allegations against Azov Battallion and Ukrainian forces, this journalist (Eva Bartlett) has witnessed these events from the frontline & reported on them:
https://youtu.be/OzMLPSXb7RU

First time look at his thread.

Oh dear. It clearly went very wrong a long time back.

It's gone in a similar direction to too many forum threads, alas..

(22-05-2022 18:53 )crankshaft Wrote:  this journalist (Eva Bartlett) has witnessed these events from the frontline & reported on them:

Yes, you have to marvel at her apparent ability to get in and out of Mariupol when nobody else could. Not even the Red Cross.