Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

^ It was never going to be easy, delivering something most of the MP'S didn't vote for. Cameron quickly hopped over the garden fence.
Corbyn has inadvertently made things worse by not stepping down from his delusions of grandeur.

They should start pay-per-view on parliament proceedings the silly cunts

(21-10-2019 10:33 )terence Wrote:  seriously, how much better do people think it will get, to justify all of this uncertainty and upheaval?

I recall Rees Mogg saying people should look at a 50 year time horizon. So basically anyone who voted in 2016 will be a pensioner or dead

(21-10-2019 10:30 )SecretAgent Wrote:  Hope you Brexiteers who might lose your jobs are happy.

All the Brexiteers did was put an x in a box, if you have an axe to grind then perhaps it would be better placed with the people who put ballot papers in all of our hands.

As a Brexiteer, I could say an awful lot about how all this has gone down, but I won't and shall try to remain respectful.

(21-10-2019 10:37 )SecretAgent Wrote:  

(21-10-2019 10:33 )terence Wrote:  seriously, how much better do people think it will get, to justify all of this uncertainty and upheaval?

I recall Rees Mogg saying people should look at a 50 year time horizon. So basically anyone who voted in 2016 will be a pensioner or dead

How will history judge JRM?

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If there was to be a GE - what's the earliest possible date? bearing in mind Oct 31 would have come and gone - and would Boris even contemplate the idea of a no confidence vote in his own administration? If it was to force Corbyn to shift his position

Parliament has to be dissolved 25 working days before an election. If the election is the result of a no confidence vote I believe there's an additional 14 day period for others to try to form a government.

So, assuming an election was called tomorrow (if Corbyn mans up..a lot ) then we'd be looking at the end of November-ish.

If they left it any later than that then a lot of school buildings used as Polling / Counting Stations etc will be booked out for Christmas events.

Bercow has rejected the Government's request for a meaningful vote' on Boris' deal.

now what has to happen now?

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The Govt now has to bring forward a new withdrawal agreement legislative proposal which JRM says will happen either tomorrow or next few days. Most likely a programme motion to ensure all stages complete by 31st deadline. Obvious issue there is that Parliament will be likely to vote such a motion down and seek proper detailed scrutiny!

I should make it clear that I am opposed to programme motions in all circumstances! I subscribe to the 'Marriott scheme - (Yes Prime Minister) I will explain: A Govt has the right to bring forward legislation. It has no inalienable right to see it pass unless it can garner - effectively cross party - support in my view!

A Parliament with no one party having an overall majority is - overall - a healthy one as far as I am concerned! In one sense it seems messy I accept, It does though help to ensure Govt(s) bring to the floor 'water tight' legislation (in so far as that can be guaranteed). The down side?? - silly sod opposition behaviour - yes, but even so!!

^ Although there isn't enough backing for a second referendum, the amendment for a customs union seems to have some support. Despite the DUP opposing it.

That would throw a spanner in the works.

Just for information purposes.

The customs union proposal lost by 3 votes in the indicative votes process of earlier in the year. 276-273.
The 2nd referendum proposal lost by 12 votes in that same process. 292-280.

It remains to be seen how the numbers may change in any proposed amendments to the Withdrawal Agreement Bill.