Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(20-05-2016 06:27 )babelover48 Wrote:  

(19-05-2016 22:30 )Tumble_Drier Wrote:  

(19-05-2016 20:14 )babelover48 Wrote:  And if by some quirk of fate, the vote was tied would their be a casting vote?

First, a recount and possibly a second. If it's still dead level i believe we would continue as a member.

I bet either way Cameron's fucked...

Keep asking this until you believe the answer, which is: he's going, whatever the result

(19-05-2016 22:30 )Tumble_Drier Wrote:  

(19-05-2016 20:14 )babelover48 Wrote:  And if by some quirk of fate, the vote was tied would their be a casting vote?

First, a recount and possibly a second. If it's still dead level i believe we would continue as a member.

Incorrect I'm afraid. On both points.

Any requests for recounts have to be made to the local returning officer before the result in that area is declared. Once a local area has declared its result then the outcome in that area is final and no further recounts can be made.

There is no provision for a national recount. Any disputes about counts must be settled at local level by the returning officer for that area.

If the national result is a dead heat the government would not have a mandate to have the UK continue as a member of the EU. In the event of a dead heat another referendum would be held in 2017 to try and get a decisive outcome one way or the other.

Is it all a huge irrelevance either way ?
Is the whole concept of national sovereignty in the age of unaccountable global capitalism a complete dinosaur ?

Is there any kind of legalistic measure that can ultimately stop a tide of blameless people in fear of their lives or in similar dire straits travelling across lines on maps to try and get the best for their children - unless the root causes of such disasters are genuinely addressed at the source by collective international effort ?

Is the EU any more or less effective as a bulkwark against the pernicious effects of rampant tax-dodging global corporations' corruption of the political class and their baleful influence in the twisting of individual nation states' domestic political social and economic policies towards the benefit of said corporations against the individuals' quality of life and ability of nations to run equitable public services and try to promote genuine social equality and not just provide a secure platform for a rich international oligarchy and a series of attractive investment opportunities and tax havens for them ?

Is the whole thing really just a huge merry-go-round to decide the next leader of the UK Conservative Party, without a jot of relevance to the UK's future, regardless of which party may or not win the next UK General Election ?

Is there ever going to be any end to these Neverendums ?

You decide.
(Or maybe you don't.)

(21-05-2016 18:56 )M-L-L Wrote:  Is it all a huge irrelevance either way ?

You're no fun any more

Quote:Is the whole concept of national sovereignty in the age of unaccountable global capitalism a complete dinosaur ?

We're hardly drowning in the stuff right now, nor are the wicked EU going to suck it all out unless we Leave.

Quote:Is the whole thing really just a huge merry-go-round to decide the next leader of the UK Conservative Party, without a jot of relevance to the UK's future, regardless of which party may or not win the next UK General Election ?

That is one of the more tedious aspects of the whole campaign.

Quote:You decide.
(Or maybe you don't.)

Do us one of your hilarious captions and that might solve it

To quote Emma Goldman " if voting changed anything they would make it illegal "

Got polling card this morning - Hmmm Why so early?

(21-05-2016 19:35 )babelover48 Wrote:  Got polling card this morning - Hmmm Why so early?

The postman maybe wanted to get home before lunch-time, as it's the weekend.

^ Postmen deliver letters BEFORE lunchtime these days ??!?!!?

'"When I were a lad..you used t' get letters in the post BEFORE you've left the house in the morning for work..."....cont. page 94.....

(21-05-2016 19:29 )Doddle Wrote:  

(21-05-2016 18:56 )M-L-L Wrote:  Is it all a huge irrelevance either way ?

You're no fun any more
I was never fun. You were mistaking satire for fun. Satire generally isn't funny .

Quote:Is the whole concept of national sovereignty in the age of unaccountable global capitalism a complete dinosaur ?

We're hardly drowning in the stuff right now, nor are the wicked EU going to suck it all out unless we Leave.
I'm confused. Do you think I am arguing to Leave ?

Quote:Is the whole thing really just a huge merry-go-round to decide the next leader of the UK Conservative Party, without a jot of relevance to the UK's future, regardless of which party may or not win the next UK General Election ?

That is one of the more tedious aspects of the whole campaign.
Not as tedious as this thread surely ?

Quote:You decide.
(Or maybe you don't.)

Do us one of your hilarious captions and that might solve it

Well you may have noticed I no longer post in that thread (the odd comment on other's posts aside). Congratulations. But I leave the thread a stronger place than I first found it - the convention of adding hilarious captions has well and truly caught on with my worthy successors posting in that thread.)

There's no need to get personal - leave that to Boris and Cameron

^I would say it is to personal already between those two