Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(24-01-2019 10:20 )babelover48 Wrote:  No - the Government should wake up and realise what is REALLY AT STAKE AND GET A FUCKING DEAL DONE!! IF Remoaners could not accept the original referendum result in the first place why do they think they have a right to ride roughshod over us who won the vote and want to leave it is you remoaners who need to accept the original result and deal with it!!

They've got a deal. Its crap because that's what Brexit is. Brexiteers claimed it would be easy and that the EU would be begging us to agree a good deal. Brexiteers said there would be no problem with the Irish Border. Lies lies and more lies. Funny how the name calling comes from Brexiteers who call people who voted remain "remoaners" etc yet Farage openly said on the night of the referendum when he thought he had lost that he would not accept the result.

Brexiteers have said there will be violence on the streets if they don't get what they want. Brexiteers have made violence and death threats to MP's who stick to their beliefs. Funny that because for 30+ years Brexiteers have stuck by their beliefs but want to deny that right to others.

We won't agree but the least Brexiteers could do is accept that any problems caused by Brexit are their responsibility.

^^ Always someone else's fault isn't it? Who are you going to blame for things once immigration is curbed and we are away from the EU's rulebook? Who will be your next scapegoat?

There is acceptance of the result. That's why there is real resistance to a second referendum (even amongst people you insist on labelling with the divisive remoaner tag). People are trying to rationalise the best solution possible to a problematic hand dealt it by the public's vote. Amongst all the self-serving positioning and endless ideology, MP's are doing so using the very same sovereignty of parliament and democratic process that was heralded so high on most Brexiteers' agenda.

As for businesses, a vote for Brexit was a vote against the existing frictionless trade. Companies have a right to look to maintain things like that, even if it means going abroad in order to protect their majority of workers (you know like the ones being ditched in your high street thread) and their investors/shareholders.

What there is not acceptance of is something implied when you keep saying "what we voted for" like the 2016 referendum was won by a crystal clear consensus of views on what should happen at this stage. If there's one thing all the events since have proven it's that there was zero unity among the 17.4 million that voted your way. What you voted for was not the same thing every other person that voted out did. That's what is causing the problem.

(24-01-2019 10:20 )babelover48 Wrote:  No - the Government should wake up and realise what is REALLY AT STAKE AND GET A FUCKING DEAL DONE!! IF Remoaners could not accept the original referendum result in the first place why do they think they have a right to ride roughshod over us who won the vote and want to leave it is you remoaners who need to accept the original result and deal with it!!

The vast majority of remainers accept brexit is going to happen.

What we don't want is a no-deal brexit. Which seems to be the same as what you want. So why the fuck are you getting on our case... ?

So Boris got £10,000 from JCB for his speech last week in which he repeatedly promoted JCB. David Davis has also accepted an advisory role with JCB for £60,000 to do 20 hours work A YEAR.

Two leading Brexiteers in the pocket of a Brexit businessman

(24-01-2019 10:20 )babelover48 Wrote:  No - the Government should wake up and realise what is REALLY AT STAKE AND GET A FUCKING DEAL DONE!! IF Remoaners could not accept the original referendum result in the first place why do they think they have a right to ride roughshod over us who won the vote and want to leave it is you remoaners who need to accept the original result and deal with it!!

no, the e.u doesn't have to give us fuck all. we were told that they need us more than we need them. turns out that's not the case, we're not that important.

we need a 2nd referendum to fix the shit dickhead brexiteers have gotten us into with empty bullshit promises.

(24-01-2019 14:40 )SecretAgent Wrote:  So Boris got £10,000 from JCB for his speech last week in which he repeatedly promoted JCB. David Davis has also accepted an advisory role with JCB for £60,000 to do 20 hours work A YEAR.

Two leading Brexiteers in the pocket of a Brexit businessman

I wonder how much JCB would charge to dig your grave for you?

I wonder how much David Davis was actually paid when he was negotiating... which begs the question did he take a backhander to make a pig's ear of it?

This video is an extract from an amazing interview on This Week between Brexiteer Andrew Neil and Brexiteer James Delingpole. The full interview can be found on the iplayer and highlights two basic problems relating to WTO rules. The first which is not in this clip but in the full exchange is that WTO rules only apply to goods and we are largely a services economy (80%) so we would still have nothing in place for the vast majority of our economy, the second is that if we leave under WTO rules we have to place tariffs on goods coming from The EU because WTO rules stipulate that you cannot give preferential treatment to one body, if we have tariff free trade with The EU we have to have tariff free trade with every other nation.

At which point why would any of those other nations go into trade negotiations with us? They already have tariff free trade

Delingpole's response to this question is brilliant

Andrew neil isnt a brexiteer he treats every side with the same contempt they deserve im fucking sick of BBC brexiteer bollocks and im a remainer. not there fault that both fucking sides put up fucking idiots that dont know fuck all