Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(28-06-2016 07:48 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  Another thing that's really starting to annoy me is the ever increasing use of the term 'Brexiteer'

It makes them sound a bit heroic, like Musketeers. There are no fucking heroes here, on either side.

Would 'Fuckwits' be more suitable?

Outsiders maybe or Outlaws lol

(28-06-2016 10:51 )straw man Wrote:  So what's going to happen now? If Boris becomes PM he faces dissident backbenchers in his own party and cries for an early election may be hard to resist. Then the Liberal Democrats and Labour (which by then would have a more credible leader) would both promise to stop Brexit if elected.

Given that the Tories have got what they want (I assume that's the case, given that the EU has been a problem for the Tories for decades, and is the reason why the referendum came about in the first place), and given that they are in Government, with a majority (that even they did not expect), why would they want to risk an election, even with the so-called official 'opposition' in turmoil (although, as you point out, they may well have a new leader before long)? Also, with the Leave vote, there is the prospect of a right-wing Tory government coming in, presumably what many Tories would want, so, again, why would they risk that?

Remember, too, that the UK Parliament now has a fixed term, so it is not simply a case of the incumbent calling an early election - as far as I understand, there has to be a successful no confidence vote, or a 2/3 majority voting for a new election.

Some good speeches in The Scottish Parliament, at the moment, during an EU Referendum debate.

Interesting article here, How Scotland could opt out of Brexit.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/14...of_Brexit/

^ Don't assume all Tories got what they wanted. Probably about half the Parliamentary Party did and Boris as chief assassin won't be forgiven even if he is elected leader.

I see Nigel Farage is now being quoted in the press as being nervous about Boris Johnson's backsliding. He warned that if Johnson was serious it would amount to selling out the voters who backed Brexit.

(28-06-2016 15:28 )barracuda Wrote:  I see Nigel Farage is now being quoted in the press as being nervous about Boris Johnson's backsliding. He warned that if Johnson was serious it would amount to selling out the voters who backed Brexit.

Always fun when a liar calls a liar a liar

(28-06-2016 15:10 )SecretAgent Wrote:  ^ Don't assume all Tories got what they wanted. Probably about half the Parliamentary Party did and Boris as chief assassin won't be forgiven even if he is elected leader.

Indeed, but they do seem to be (and have been for a long time) the most 'Eurosceptic' of the 'main' parties, and therefore, I'm guessing, most satisfied (least dissatisfied?) with the outcome?

Also, many in the Tory party were 'less than happy' with Cameron, until he (inconveniently, in some respects ) delivered a majority, so will be pleased that he's going, as well as the prospect of their next leader/PM being further to the right, and, as you allude, it's not a forgone conclusion that Boris will be that person.

^ Yeah Cameron is a One Nation Tory and rather like Blair in the Labour Party He realised that to get elected he had to soften the aims of the far right. Blair of course neutralised the far left. Strange how things turn out as Labour us now controlled by the far far left who seem to be bullying MP's with their Momentum troops (seems five shadow ministers requested s meeting yesterday to say they would support him if he accepted he needed to change. Instead McDonnel crashed the meeting threatening revenge so they let and resigned)

I fear the tories will move to the right because if they do it will be bad for the country.