Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??)

(24-06-2016 12:18 )SecretAgent Wrote:  Labour MP's questioning whether Corbyn speaks for the Labour electorate as they have clearly not voted for Remain.

Utter garbage. Toxic Tony & Mandy putting the boots in quick enough. Blair probably did more damage than Corbyn could!

(24-06-2016 11:57 )Mr77 Wrote:  As for the vote I personally feel that 16 & 17 year old's should of been able to vote on this as it massively effects their future and yet they get no say . If you look at the demographics of the result younger people were voting to remain and older people were voting to stay .

16 and 17 year olds can pay tax but cannot vote.

That's democracy for you.

(24-06-2016 12:32 )SecretAgent Wrote:  

(24-06-2016 12:21 )wackawoo Wrote:  So there is a % then.

No there is not. This would be retrospective and whilst it has to be discussed no government could enact it into law to retrospectively impact the referendum vote. The people have spoken and if it turns out badly then thats what will happen.

But with an unelected PM taking over in October, there should be plenty of scope for rebellions, votes of No Confidence etc - enough to trigger an early General Election.

If candidates are elected who explicitly favour a second referendum and have campaigned on that basis, there will surely be no excuse for not holding one.

I was always against Scottish independence but now it's different - we have no choice but to leave the UK.

If Nissan close that Sunderland car plant they are welcome in Scotland, along with all other foreign business moving from England.

(24-06-2016 13:09 )wackawoo Wrote:  

(24-06-2016 13:07 )terence Wrote:  the sad thing for me is the fact that 17.4 million people have decided such a monumental thing for a population of over 65 million.

as a rule anything that makes nigel farage happy, we should all do the complete opposite. just common sense imo.

Clearly it wasn't just about farage, I doubt many poeple like him, as the last election showed.

i cant stand the guy. he and his ilk are bigoted, racist nitwits who campaingned on lies and fearmongering.

yet i voted leave.
why?
because we joined the eec free market. we didnt join the eu superstate.
other reasons. the TTIP. a deal that was made behind closed doors because it would be rejected if the public ever found out its contents before it was ratified.

Brussels is an unelected boys club that put corporate interests above that of the people. they are unelected and unaccountable to the people of europe never mind the people of the uk. thats not how democracy works so i rejected it...

as for sturgeon, its purley flag waving. she seems to think that scotland can just stay. but the reality is the UK voted to leave, scotland is part of the uk so it has to leave as well. if scotland decideds to leave the uk and wants back in to the eu it will have to take its place at the back of the line and wait the 20 or so years it takes to get membership.

(24-06-2016 15:21 )Hamish McSporran Wrote:  I was always against Scottish independence but now it's different - we have no choice but to leave the UK.

If Nissan close that Sunderland car plant they are welcome in Scotland, along with all other foreign business moving from England.

But Sunderland were one of the staunchest supporters of Brexit.

(24-06-2016 15:35 )setter1000 Wrote:  But Sunderland were one of the staunchest supporters of Brexit.

What's your point exactly? That turkeys sometimes vote for Christmas?

Why are so many people worried?

I've just seen Nigel Farage on TV saying not to worry and that maybe we can develop closer ties with the Commonwealth.

Thanks Nigel.

(24-06-2016 15:40 )Hamish McSporran Wrote:  

(24-06-2016 15:35 )setter1000 Wrote:  But Sunderland were one of the staunchest supporters of Brexit.

What's your point exactly? That turkeys sometimes vote for Christmas?

Sorry I thought you were saying the Nissan workers were welcome in Scotland my bad. Are Nissan likely to move out?

(24-06-2016 15:40 )Hamish McSporran Wrote:  What's your point exactly? That turkeys sometimes vote for Christmas?

You seem to think that all these busnisses are all going to up sticks and move to scotland, thats probably not going to happen.

The only way it would be worse and that's if the other EU cvountires make it bad, and early indications seem to be saying people need to think and cut deals and the Germans slapping huge tarriffs on the UK wouldn't be a good idea.