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I have rarely seen a bowling performance like that which the Ausssies have brought to this match. At the top of their game!!

England currently on 23-2. With Denly and Roy both fighting for their test futures

3rd wicket falls..

Jason Roy clean bowled.....again.

EDIT : Stokes now gone. 78-4.

I think the Ashes are gone now

Retained by 185 runs. Was it ever thus! Personally, without Smith, the Aussies wouldn't have won so easily and I wouldn't have let him back in until the next Ashes series-what he did(and Warner and Bancroft) was plain and simple cheating. If that had been an England player he would have been banned for a lot longer than they were. He, Bancroft and Warner are very lucky to be back at all, but thankfully Warner has been out pretty easily at times. Still a chance to draw the series so it ain't over yet. You could argue that losing Anderson dented our chances but with Broad and Stokes on fire it wasn't so bad, but Anderson could have made life harder for the Aussies. So, on to the Oval and the final match-let's hope England really push hard and go for the draw. At least it wasn't a whitewash.

Jason Roy has a major flow with his defensive batting. He leave a big gap between bat and pad. Most top line batsmen seldom get bowled through the gate.
If they are going to use him then, open with him and tell him to just play a 50 over style innings. It's been done before.

(08-09-2019 19:46 )Charlemagne Wrote: [ -> ]Jason Roy has a major flow with his defensive batting. He leave a big gap between bat and pad. Most top line batsmen seldom get bowled through the gate.
If they are going to use him then, open with him and tell him to just play a 50 over style innings. It's been done before.

Jonny Bairstow has a similar problem. I read somewhere that he’s been clean bowled 17 times in his last 30 odd innings.

Once Stokes was out, I would say our chances were pretty much gone. Denly did make fifty but I'm thinking was it enough to cement a place for the Oval? Maybe. Roy is probably one player I would drop for the Oval and send him back to his county so he can get some confidence back ready for South Africa.
Even though the Ashes retained, we have been second best for much of the series and I think a drawn series might be the best we can hope for, but at the same time, the selectors have to make some tough choices for the winter tour to South Africa and next summer. I think we definitely missed Anderson this game and probably may miss him at the Oval and our bowling attack needs a little more variation. And we still haven't really yet found that natural successor to Cook.

Question for you guys - Are there questions marks for you over Root's captaincy or not?

(08-09-2019 22:02 )babelover48 Wrote: [ -> ]Once Stokes was out, I would say our chances were pretty much gone. Denly did make fifty but I'm thinking was it enough to cement a place for the Oval? Maybe. Roy is probably one player I would drop for the Oval and send him back to his county so he can get some confidence back ready for South Africa.
Even though the Ashes retained, we have been second best for much of the series and I think a drawn series might be the best we can hope for, but at the same time, the selectors have to make some tough choices for the winter tour to South Africa and next summer. I think we definitely missed Anderson this game and probably may miss him at the Oval and our bowling attack needs a little more variation. And we still haven't really yet found that natural successor to Cook.

Question for you guys - Are there questions marks for you over Root's captaincy or not?

Big question marks over his captaincy for me. He isn’t a tactician. He is prone to showing petulance when things aren’t going his way, over-reliance on certain players.

Messed up badly on Saturday when Australia were 4 wickets down at the tea interval, crowd were fired up, Broad and Archer had bowled superbly and looked good to tear through the Aussie line up, but Root inexplicably went with Overton and Leach...the crowd went quiet and the head of steam that England had built up melted away.

I would say he hasn't shown the sort of tactical brain that Brearley had, and I'm wondering if it would far better to swap Root for Morgan who for me has shown a far better tactical nous than Root but keep Root in the side as a specialist batsman and by bringing Morgan in could mean either Roy, Buttler or Bairstow would be the one to make way for Morgan.