29-03-2010, 19:03
Sorry guys, this had to be done after what happened in the 'fascination with real' thread and to save Skully from having to move peoples posts around.
Im going to start by answering a post by 654321.
I will start by agreeing that there is absolutely no question that Spain have better keepers. Reina, Casillas and Valdes are three of the best keepers in the world in their own right and that is something the English national team is lacking.
In defense however i think we are way out in front. Puyol is Spain and Barcas weak link, mainly through lack of height and strength and is famous for clumsy play. Pique who i rate very highly is no Ferdinand or Terry who as well as being two of the greatest defenders in the world at the moment, are absolutely fantastic leaders. Ramos is a cb playing at rb and so he lacks the attacking flair and crossing ability a normal rb would have. Ashley Cole speaks for himslef and there aren't many, if any other lb's in the world who are better so in defence i think we are way out in front.
In midfield i think that although you are right that Xavi and Xabi Alonso are two of the best in the world in their position, its a complete different position to Gerrard and Lampard. Xabi Alonso is a defensive midfielder and Xavi is a box to box midfielder. Proof is the amount of goals each player scores. Iniesta on the other hand is one of my favourite players playing today and is an attacking midfielder but does not get as many goals or assists as a Lampard or a Gerrard and he is in a far more attacking team. He isn't anywhere near his peak though and will be up there with the greatest ever before he retires.
Now strikers! Defoe is literally an old school english finisher, he doesn't get involved in the play and just smashes them in which is awesome but unlike Villa he can't play on his own up front and he isn't the best header of a ball. I will say though that Diego Forlan, a player that may i say 'SUCKED RHINOCEROS COCK', in england was the top scorer in La Liga two years running ahead of players like Raul, Eto'o and Villa himself. He couldn't get 10 league goals over here so it would be interesting to see if Villa would do better.
We could be here all night arguing between Rooney and Torres. Rooney has scored an untold amount of goals with his head this year and so i'd say it was difficult to compare the two at that. Pace wise id say they were pretty close too. Rooney might not score as many as Torres when he Torres in fully fit but his work rate is far more impressive. Rooney does a lot more work tracking back etc. I know Liverpool play with two defensive midfielders so that Torres doesn't need to and finally strength. I think you would find it difficult to find many players stronger than Rooney so he wins that one too.
but...dont worry, im nearly finished. Depth wise, there is no contest. Spain have far more quality players in every position than England and that i think, is the only reason that they are better than us.
Im done. If you did read all that then you deserva a medal.
All those players are a product of our league and so i say the Premiership is better!
Im going to start by answering a post by 654321.
I will start by agreeing that there is absolutely no question that Spain have better keepers. Reina, Casillas and Valdes are three of the best keepers in the world in their own right and that is something the English national team is lacking.
In defense however i think we are way out in front. Puyol is Spain and Barcas weak link, mainly through lack of height and strength and is famous for clumsy play. Pique who i rate very highly is no Ferdinand or Terry who as well as being two of the greatest defenders in the world at the moment, are absolutely fantastic leaders. Ramos is a cb playing at rb and so he lacks the attacking flair and crossing ability a normal rb would have. Ashley Cole speaks for himslef and there aren't many, if any other lb's in the world who are better so in defence i think we are way out in front.
In midfield i think that although you are right that Xavi and Xabi Alonso are two of the best in the world in their position, its a complete different position to Gerrard and Lampard. Xabi Alonso is a defensive midfielder and Xavi is a box to box midfielder. Proof is the amount of goals each player scores. Iniesta on the other hand is one of my favourite players playing today and is an attacking midfielder but does not get as many goals or assists as a Lampard or a Gerrard and he is in a far more attacking team. He isn't anywhere near his peak though and will be up there with the greatest ever before he retires.
Now strikers! Defoe is literally an old school english finisher, he doesn't get involved in the play and just smashes them in which is awesome but unlike Villa he can't play on his own up front and he isn't the best header of a ball. I will say though that Diego Forlan, a player that may i say 'SUCKED RHINOCEROS COCK', in england was the top scorer in La Liga two years running ahead of players like Raul, Eto'o and Villa himself. He couldn't get 10 league goals over here so it would be interesting to see if Villa would do better.
We could be here all night arguing between Rooney and Torres. Rooney has scored an untold amount of goals with his head this year and so i'd say it was difficult to compare the two at that. Pace wise id say they were pretty close too. Rooney might not score as many as Torres when he Torres in fully fit but his work rate is far more impressive. Rooney does a lot more work tracking back etc. I know Liverpool play with two defensive midfielders so that Torres doesn't need to and finally strength. I think you would find it difficult to find many players stronger than Rooney so he wins that one too.
but...dont worry, im nearly finished. Depth wise, there is no contest. Spain have far more quality players in every position than England and that i think, is the only reason that they are better than us.
Im done. If you did read all that then you deserva a medal.
All those players are a product of our league and so i say the Premiership is better!