Russian Invasion Of Ukraine - misinformation thread

(19-05-2022 03:19 )The Silent Majority Wrote:  

(18-05-2022 19:39 )crankshaft Wrote:  The truth is that in the east, the main parts of its forces are immobile and are getting surrounded by Russian forces. And their supply lines are now badly hit by Russia's continued bombardment of roads, railways and military infrastructure, oil depots, military stores ..etc. Perhaps the Pentagon knows this all and that is why Austin initiated the call and asked for a ceasefire.

Any links for these 'truths' you're getting that the rest of us aren't?

https://thesaker.is/sitrep-operation-z-t...ig-refuse/

RT News online

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/05/uk....html#more

^ So your sources are propaganda for Russia and in no way mainstream media or balanced in their reporting. Do you get a list of these sources to quote when you register as a Russian supporter?

A person loses all credibility in a debate/discussion if they parrot information from propaganda and conspiracy sites. It's as simple as that.

(20-05-2022 09:04 )crankshaft Wrote:  https://thesaker.is/sitrep-operation-z-t...ig-refuse/

RT News online

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/05/uk....html#more

Seriously? You criticise other people for believing the western media, and then pedal that as 'the truth' ?

You need to have a word with yourself...

shrill decrying of my sources rings hollow. Just ill-informed ignorance.

Re: RT, RT, is as autonomous as the BBC is, financed from the budget of the Russian Federation as the BBC is the UK from the public purse.

FYI, I am informed in general from many sources of news. That includes, Al-Jazeera, BBC, GB News, Sky.. etc.

As I said, the truth lies somewhere in-between the propaganda of both sides in this conflict. An objective person would realise that

Despite the shrill decrying of my quoting of my sources regarding the actual military situation in the Donbass now, I note no response now to what I said earlier about Azov and Buccha!

(19-05-2022 16:36 )crankshaft Wrote:  Re: Bucha, & my “highly convincing circumstantial proof” that SOME (not all) killings may have been carried out by Azov Battallion hit-squads, one interpretation (yours) is that some people (me) allow themselves to be highly convinced of some limited speculative evidence. Another is that, based on a wider array of extensive reporting of correlative reports of brutality of these hit-squads in the last few months and over 8 years, that this context favourably correlated with this speculation, rendering the likelihood that this happened in Bucha entirely plausible.

This article provides an overview into a deeply disturbing trend in Ukraine, one that started in 2014, that has accelerated and intensified since 24 February 2022. Extrajudicial killings, harassment, arbitrary detentions by men in camouflaged uniforms, beatings and disappearances continue to take place on a regular basis in Ukraine. Most of the detentions and disappearances are often carried out by the Ukrainian Security service, (SBU), under a sweeping repression.

BTW, there are other neo-nazi groups in Ukraine, not just Azov Battallion, such as Ajdar, Dnepr, Tornado, Solnyshko, and others which were originally created as militia units and now are successfully integrated into the Ukraine military.

(21-05-2022 08:32 )crankshaft Wrote:  I note no response now to what I said earlier about Azov and Buccha!

There was no response because the killings in Bucha have already been dealt with in full. It really shouldn't be necessary to respond to your claims anymore. However, since you insist, here's the information again that you apparently find so difficult to process.

Amnesty International conduced a 10 day investigation in Bucha, during which they collected bullets from the dead bodies of Ukraine civilians. Here's a direct quote from the Amnesty International website:

"Amnesty’s weapons investigator identified the bullets as black-tipped 7N12 armour-piercing 9x39mm rounds that can only be fired by specialised rifles used by some elite Russian units, including those reportedly operating in Bucha during this time."

Amnesty's report makes it clear that no Ukraine forces were involved in the atrocities.

You falsely claimed that some of the dead were collaborators or suspected collaborators, but in fact none of them were. The dead civilians in Bucha had not been named as collaborators by anyone.

You also falsely claimed that the Mayor of Bucha had not mentioned the atrocities until after the Russians had left the town, but he had actually referred to them on Facebook several times before they left.

You also falsely claimed that Russia was denied the chance to put their arguments on Bucha to the UN Security Council. This lie has been fully exposed in this thread several times and does not need further comment.

Work has now begun on identifying those individuals involved in the killings and 10 Russian soldiers have been named as wanted. None of the 10 are in custody but charges have been brought in absentia.

The accused soldiers are named as Vasily Knyazev, Semyon Maltsev, Andrei Biyazev, Sergei Peskarev, Grigory Naryshkin, Dmitry Sergienko, Vyacheslav Lavrentyev, Albert Radnaev, Mikhail Kashin and Nikita Akimov.

Given that Amnesty International have the bullets from Bucha, I'm hoping that crankshaft is sufficiently grown-up to not pursue this any further or demand any further responses on this subject.

Perhaps a good idea is everyone to chill and stop watching the news for a while. These last few posts are getting nowhere.

(21-05-2022 12:42 )jedi72003 Wrote:  Perhaps a good idea is everyone to chill and stop watching the news for a while. These last few posts are getting nowhere.

If you think this is bad, you clearly haven't been here very long

It would help if crankshaft didn't go round and round in circles with the same claims. Everytime one of his statements is discredited, he just finds a way of recycling the same argument.